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HID Install in F1F 90mm headlights (Lots of Detail Pics!) by randye
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Ok, now that we have the ballasts mounted its time to put the headlight assemblies back in the car.

Here is the drivers side:


...and here's the passenger side:


Once these were back in place, (not aligned yet), I was anxious to check the clearance with the ballasts.
WHEW! It's closer than I anticipated, but still almost 1 inch to spare at the closest point!

I'm happy these ballasts are so thin, or I'd be relocating them right now...
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Time to test the electrical circuits!

I don't have the headlight motors hooked up, but I wanted to check that I have all the HID wiring working...just a quick test....

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY!!



A brilliant flash and these things lit up like an arc welder!!
Yep, they do seem to be working.
Turn them off quickly since they're in the down position, and let's finish this up...
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Originally posted by randye:

Time to test the electrical circuits!

I don't have the headlight motors hooked up, but I wanted to check that I have all the HID wiring working...just a quick test....

GOOD GOD ALMIGHTY!!



A brilliant flash and these things lit up like an arc welder!!
Yep, they do seem to be working.
Turn them off quickly since they're in the down position, and let's finish this up...


Won't hurt them to be in the down position and powered on.

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Originally posted by Synthesis:


Won't hurt them to be in the down position and powered on.


I know.
I just don't want to fade my paint under the hood!
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A close-up of the clearance with the HID bulb and wiring with the drivers side bucket in the down position:


...and the passenger side:

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Originally posted by randye:

A close-up of the clearance with the HID bulb and wiring with the bucket in the down position:


Yup. These won't have clearance issues. DOT approved Hella 90mm housings with DOT approved lamps will have clearance problems.
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SUCCESS IS MINE!!

All the wiring is now hooked up, tied down and secured and the lights are just magnificent.
These pics don't do justice to them of course, (camera flash, shop lights, etc.), but they're plenty bright and the 6000K, ("diamond white"), color looks to be just what I wanted.




Oops!
Did a little something "extra" show up in that last photo?

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Oops!
I think I just did it again!
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I'll have to adjust the headlight support frames and align them to the doors next, then we can work on aligning the lights properly.
If all goes well and my time allows, I should have that underway tomorrow and I'll have more photos up.
These HID lights are fantastic. They really help give the Fiero more of an "exotic car" look.



Oops AGAIN!
Did something else "extra" just sneak into this??!!
What the hell is going on here???

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OK...something weird is going on here!
Are these new HID lights malfunctioning or something???
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OH NO!!!
It seems to be spreading!
Maybe I need to recheck the wiring!!
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Looks good... How did you do the LEDs? Circuit board or just pin to pin?
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Originally posted by Synthesis:

Looks good... How did you do the LEDs? Circuit board or just pin to pin?


Neither.
You'll have to talk to "Oslo" about it, or you could spend some more of that tax refund and place your order with TLG now.
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Nice!! I like all of the LED lighting, very modern!

One question though, in the turn signal recessed area, I see some LED reflections. Do you have LED strips above the turn signals as well??
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Originally posted by doublec4:

Nice!! I like all of the LED lighting, very modern!

One question though, in the turn signal recessed area, I see some LED reflections. Do you have LED strips above the turn signals as well??


Funny you should ask.
As a matter of fact, I do!
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Originally posted by randye:


Funny you should ask.
As a matter of fact, I do!


LED's everywhereee!

I'd be interested in how you wired these up or a little sneak peak into what Oslo has for some new products (from how it sounds)
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Originally posted by doublec4:


LED's everywhereee!

I'd be interested in how you wired these up or a little sneak peak into what Oslo has for some new products (from how it sounds)


BINGO! You "hit it in one" there doublec4!
You're looking at the prototypes for the newest TLG products.
I'll have to ask that you wait for Oslo to post details, but I can tell you that this is an easy addition to make and it works great.

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Awesome

I'd be very interested in these LED set ups. I think I would try and mount the LEDs in the turn signal housing under the turn siginal though.. if it would fit.

Looks great!!
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Originally posted by doublec4:

Awesome

I'd be very interested in these LED set ups. I think I would try and mount the LEDs in the turn signal housing under the turn siginal though.. if it would fit.

Looks great!!


Under the turn signal?...why of course you'll be able to do that!!
In fact, you could even put them under *and* above if you really want to...
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Sort of gives it an "Audi R8" kind of look don't you think?
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I agree. I'm sold.
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Originally posted by randye:

... I STRONGLY recommend that anyone contemplating this conversion to your F1F quad lights also do the conversion to your headlight circuit to allow the low beams to stay on with the high beams.
...
The thread and diagrams of how to do this are posted somewhere here on the forum and I'll reference a link to it once I find it again. If anyone has it handy, please feel free to post it...



Originally posted in this thread ...

Simplest solution, just add a single jumper wire:



Better solution, use a relay:




Obviously, your HID ballasts would be connected in place of the low-beam filaments in the schematics.

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I am happy to announce the addition of some more cool LED products to the TLG-Auto.com lineup:
Click here:
Fiero LED DRL Kit

Fiero Front LED Accent Kit

The side marker LED kits are just about ready to be posted on the website also. Stay tuned.
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Just to wind up a few final thoughts before I get into aligning and adjusting the lights.

You can store your old halogen bulbs in the protective covers that the HID bulbs were packaged in.
You now have spares for your high beams!


...and find a use for that nifty, and now empty, aluminum case that the HID kit arrived in

It might make a nice little onboard tool box for the car or a neat CD storage case.
I'll have to come up with some ideas for it.

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Originally posted by Oslo:

I am happy to announce the addition of some more cool LED products to the TLG-Auto.com lineup:
Click here:
Fiero LED DRL Kit

Fiero Front LED Accent Kit

The side marker LED kits are just about ready to be posted on the website also. Stay tuned.


I will be checking your website regularily I might want to order a bunch of this stuff at once!
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You do some great work Randye. Very clean. Keep it up.
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Originally posted by randye:


Oops!
I think I just did it again!


nice work on the side marker lights. i've been wanting to do that mod for a while
but need to figure out the wiring and mounting.
any tips you want to provide.
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Tom, there will be a kit at our website very soon with the LED lights, install instructions, wiring and mounting accessories very soon. Stay tuned!

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You know, I'm happy that there seems to be so much interest in the marker / turn signal lights.
When I developed them, I was afraid they would look like commercial truck clearance lights on the car.
(no, they're not made from truck or trailer lights...)
Once I had them installed and working it was immediately apparent how much better they look with the molding / belt line of the Fiero than the OEM single bulb markers.
It always seemed odd to me to have those nice long amber and red lenses and then stick that puny little dim 194 bulb smack in the center of them, but then that was the 80's .....

Some of the things I've been doing to my Fiero are simple things that *I* like to think that the GM designers would have done to the car if the technology was available and economically feasible for the car 25 years ago.
I think that the basic body lines and styling of the car hold up well even today, but some simple things like the LED DRLs and LED marker / turn signals can really help "modernize" the look of the car.

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Originally posted by randye:

You know, I'm happy that there seems to be so much interest in the marker / turn signal lights.
When I developed them, I was afraid they would look like commercial truck clearance lights on the car.
(no, they're not made from truck or trailer lights...)
Once I had them installed and working it was immediately apparent how much better they look with the molding / belt line of the Fiero than the OEM single bulb markers.
It always seemed odd to me to have those nice long amber and red lenses with the puny little dim 194 bulb smack in the center of them, but then that was the 80's .....

Some of the things I've been doing to my Fiero are simple things that *I* like to think that the GM designers would have done to the car if the technology was available and economically feasible for the car 25 years ago.
I think that the basic body lines and styling of the car hold up well even today, but some simple things like the LED DRLs and LED marker / turn signals can really help "modernize" the look of the car.




Good call, I like the direction the car is headed in. I wish there was a feasible LED tail light option for the notchback.

Those side markers are awesome though!
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Originally posted by Oslo:

Tom, there will be a kit at our website very soon with the LED lights, install instructions, wiring and mounting accessories very soon. Stay tuned!



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Originally posted by randye:

Sort of gives it an "Audi R8" kind of look don't you think?


Can you actually see the LED's installed from up there? May I ask why you opted to installing up instead of below the signal light housing? Just curious. I thought about doing the same thing but have not found LED's that I like yet. Which LED's did you end up using. It does look pretty nice.

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Originally posted by kooljess:


Can you actually see the LED's installed from up there? May I ask why you opted to installing up instead of below the signal light housing? Just curious. I thought about doing the same thing but have not found LED's that I like yet. Which LED's did you end up using. It does look pretty nice.



I installed them above because I was worried that they would interfere with good visibility of the amber turn signals as seem from head-on.
After testing, I discovered there was no need to worry. The OEM turn signals are plently visible and not obscured by the LEDs
I have also installed them at the botom of the lens and they work just fine there as well. I ended up at the top purely out of personal preference. I just think it's neat the way they reflect off my paint in the recesses and are still semi-hidden. They also make the recesses glow with that distinctive LED white light.
You can sort of see the recess "glowing" in this photo, but it's much more visible in the dark:

You will be able to install these above or below, or *both*, it's up to you.
The kit to do this is already available from TLG-Auto.com

Fiero Front LED Accent Kit

Note: I have new, high gloss, orange pearl paint on my car so the LEDs obviously refelect better than they will on old dull paint and probably differently than they will over non-metallic or pearl paints. They're bright enough that they should work well on any Fiero and not so bright that they are a distraction or hazzard to oncoming drivers at night.
I actually wired mine in with the LED DRLs and have them all on a single switch so I can have them on or off as I please.

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Thanks for the info Randye...it is most helpful...nice rims by the way...go HP Racing Wheels.

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I keep checking the TLG website daily to see if Oslo put up the turn signal LED kit yet! I'm anxious to order
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http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho...id=67&category_id=22
http://www.tlg-auto.com/sho...id=68&category_id=22


Edit: Oops. Wrong linkey. I could not find the LED turn signals?

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lol I saw those, sorry I meant the side marker lights!

I plan on getting the turn signal accent lights and the side marker LED kits!
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Originally posted by doublec4:

lol I saw those, sorry I meant the side marker lights!

I plan on getting the turn signal accent lights and the side marker LED kits!


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Originally posted by doublec4:

lol I saw those, sorry I meant the side marker lights!

I plan on getting the turn signal accent lights and the side marker LED kits!


I would like to get those too if they are available. Can someone let me know....it will be greatly appreciated.

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They will be available very soon. We're trying to figure out if this mod will work with notchback side markers, and also if it matters if are using repro sides or OEM.
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