My girlfriends Dad will not budge from his idea that Fieros are total crap. We can never talk long enough for me to ever hear anything than "you have 3 Fieros, thats 3 too many" and other crap. Does anyone have an old thread with a huge list of all the great things about the Fiero or like a compiled list or something? It's all I ever hear when I see him, which is never for more than 2-3 minutes.

Edit: I can't believe I spelled those 2 "Fiero's" with apostrophes

[This message has been edited by RideZiLightning (edited 07-07-2007).]

Typically, there is no fix for terminal stupid There's no arguing with people who don't listen to reason or facts. What does he drive? Chances are it's a POS.

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1984 Fiero SE

Tell him they are. Tell him that they always catch on fire and that's why there's so few left, and that you're surprised that yours haven't all exploded spontaneously.

Oh. There were a few million Ford vehicles recalled recently for spontaneously igniting (due to the fuel system I believe.) That's a couple million more than there were Fieros *produced*. Of all the Fieros made, only a small handful were actually involved in fires due to the 'infamous' design... The conrods being designed for a commuter, not a sports car. People didn't maintain their cars enough to check their oil levels and this resulted in unhappy engines. '84 only, really.

Why do you only spend 2-3 minutes with him?

Does he drive you off with his anti-Fieroism? Does your girlfriend limit the exposure?

You might talk with your girlfriend to determine what, if anything bother's her about your interaction with her dad.

If she's not comfortable, then he may be expressing is opinion about you to her and only attacking your car to your face. (because he sees that it bothers you.) Raising to the bait will only give him more ammunition against you.

If she's not bothered, you might make a point of sitting down with the guy and asking him point-blank why he does not like your cars. Look him in the eye and listen to him. When he's done, address each of his concerns individually. Ask his opinion as to what he thinks you should drive. Ask him why it is important to him to let you know his opinion of your car. Maybe he is concerned about his daughter's safety.

If you do this, you are showing him that you respect his opinion enough to listen to him. If necessary, follow through with research into his ideas and why they won't work for you.

I predict that he will either back down or he will express his concerns. Either way, you can tell him that you have heard his concerns and would rather not re-hash the same old arguments again.

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Kendall (Icelander) Whitlatch
'85 Fiero 2M4 - 5spd Isuzu
'67 LeMans/GTO clone 6.5 litre TH400
All the rest aren't Pontiacs, so what does it matter?

I'm only with him that long because I pick her up and we leave. She lives 40mins from me so we don't waste any time. He is just one of those people, he really knows nothing other than what he's heard and is stubborn enough that me being an 18yr old he won't listen. I guess I'll just ignore it.

Tell him to shut the **** up or I will punch him in the face

Tell him "Yes, they do burst into flames without warning." Then, in front of him, present your girlfriend with a gift of nomex underwear, ask if she's ready to go, then go off to wherever. All in front of "Fire Marshall Dad."

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy

He asked if I spend as much time on that piece of junk as she says, and I said "Yes I do, and it'll probably blow the doors off any car you've ever been in." He replied with "Well, my sons 240sx will do 120mph in 4th ( and raises his eyebrows .)" I couldn't believe what he had just said. What the heck does that have to with anything? She'll be gone at school for the next couple months, so I think I'll go pay him a visit and take him for a ride.

You're fighting a battle you can't win. He has an attitude toward the cars and I suspect toward you. You could provide him with an entire library of great information and he would dismiss it as BS. I've always disliked Fords, all Fords, don't really know why, I just do. But in my heart, I know that not all Fords or Ford people are bad, just most of them. Having said that, don't talk cars, specifically Fiero with him. Find other topics that you both have an interest in. If he wants to focus on Fieros, just avoid the argument, let him feel how ever he wants and move on. As the father of an 18 year old girl, I can tell you that no boyfriend my daughter brings home is good enough and who ever it is had better be ready to stand up for a critical eye and inspection if he thinks he's gonna get past dad, he's in for a wake up call.
Chalk it up to the dating experience. I doubt your girl's dad has a clue about cars, he's really looking at you.

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Ron
Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all. Some ran the other way. Some actually had the gall to come back.

He has nothing against me, I'm 100% positive as he has a very nice tone with me on the phone and in even shorter conversation. Her civic has had plenty of problems and he always tells her to have me fix and that he trusts my judgement, and has been very appreciative. He just doesn't like Fieros I guess. His loss, he's missing out

Her Dad is right, we have a disease!

By the way, is he this opinionated about other things? Imagine a lifetime of this crap. Might be time to find a new GF.

Joke?

We've been together for almost 2 1/2 years and going strong. I don't think her Dad not liking Fieros and being annoying is going to break us up

Edit: Maybe I'll cut out his tongue just in case...

[This message has been edited by RideZiLightning (edited 07-07-2007).]

quote Originally posted by RideZiLightning: Joke?

Yeah, sort of... The problem is, you wind up marrying the entire family.

You could move overseas!

Here you go, just print this out and hand it to him. Some interesting info.

"Performance
- The V-6 Fiero hit .84-.86g on the skidpad (4-cyl was roughly .80-.82g)
Porsche 911 Carrera -> .85g (the Carrera 4 was at .83g)
Ferrari Testarossa -> .84g
Lotus Esprit Turbo -> .86g
Lamborghini Diablo VT -> .87g
Acura NSX -> .87g
Acura Integra GS-R -> .82g
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am/Formula ('93+) -> .82g-.85g
Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX -> .86g

- The Fiero ran the slalom at 63.4-63.9 mph (about 61.5 for 4-cyl. models).
Pontiac Firebird Trans Am -> 59.7 mph
Lotus Epsrit S4 -> 60.6 mph
Porsche 911 Carrera -> 61.9 mph
BMW M3 -> 62.8 mph
Corvette ZR-1 -> 63.6 mph
Ferrari 348 -> 62.8 mph
Acura NSX -> 62.3 mph
Dodge Viper -> 62.7 mph
Ford Mustang Cobra (1994) -> 61.1 mph
Nissan 300ZX Turbo -> 63.0 mph

- The V-6 Fiero consistantly accelerated from 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.
The Lamborghini Diablo manages 0-30 in 2.2 seconds.

- Best 1/4-mile time for a stock V-6 Fiero: 14.7 @ 92 mph
Worst: 17.0 @ 80 mph
Both Fieros were GT's with manual transmissions.

- Best top speed for a stock V-6 Fiero: 135 mph
Worst: 115 mph
Both Fieros were '85 GT's, the latter with an automatic transmission.

General
- Pontiac purchased Ferrari 308's for handling engineering and comparison
purposes.

- Many V-6 engines in Fieros dynoed at between 150 and 160 bhp.

- The Fiero turned in a profit every year it was sold (including 1988).

- Fiero prototypes were running in 1980.

- Most foreign auto magazines raved about the Fiero's superior handling,
its nimble response and excellent road feel.
Most American auto magazines criticized the Fiero's handling as being
numb, heavy and not responsive.

- The decisions to kill the Fiero was made on February 29, 1988.

- The Fiero had nearly 3 times as many sales as the MR2 during any given
year in its lifetime.

- Pontiac spent over $300,000,000 to produce the Fiero, yet cancelled the
car on a "hunch" they would lose a maximum of $20-million between 1988
and 1995.

- Several factory prototypes were made of a Fiero convertible.

- Two prototypes were made in 1986 of a Fiero with an aluminum frame. One
of the aluminum Fieros had a 190 bhp Quad-4.

- Car & Driver called the Fiero, "One of the best cars in America" and
gave the Fiero a slot in their top ten best category.

- The Los Angeles Auto Expo gave the Fiero their Design of the Year Award.

- The 1984 Pontiac Fiero was the first production car to use large magnesium alloy components.

- The Fiero received a 5-star crash safety rating, second safest car in its class throughout its production.

- The Fiero accounted for nearly 1/4 of all Pontiac sales in 1984.

- Spectators at the unvailing of the fastback Fiero mistook the GT version
as a new Corvette.

- The Fiero Indy Pace Car was the first mid-engined 4 cylinder car ever to pace the Indy 500.

- GM was struggling with the problem of employees purchasing Fieros before
the public had an opportunity. Never before had this been a problem with
a GM car.

- Even though the highest sticker price for an '84 Fiero was about $10,000,
one Michigan buyer paid over $15,000 for an '84 SE.

- The Fiero was the first American car to win in IMSA GTU.

- In 1985, the Fiero won at Sears Point (one of 3 straight victories),
beating such successful competitors as Chevrolet's Corvette and
Ford's Mustang.

- A 4-cylinder Fiero belting out only 370 bhp took the NHRA's Competition
Eliminator title at the Keystone Nationals on September 15, 1985 with a
best 1/4-mile time of 9.72 seconds at 134.41 mph.

- The Fiero won well over 40 races in the 36 months it raced.
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final drive ratio which improved 0-60 times from about 12.5 seconds to
around 11. Optional Indy edition featured white paint with red trim,
red on gray interior, performance final drive ratio, and "aero" body
work (nearly identical to an '85 GT's). Most common year for engine
fire problems. Causes were insufficient oil capacity, flawed connecting
rods shipped from the Saginaw factory, and improper placement of some
engine bay components. Recall issued, all '84 Fieros have been serviced
and corrected according to Pontiac Motor Division.

1985
4-cylinder renamed Tech-IV and received minor improvements. GT model
added featuring a revised body, WS6 suspension, and new trim options.
2.8-liter V-6 introduced as an option for the GT and SE models. 4-speed
manual or 3-speed automatic available for V-6 engine option, 5-speed
manual added for 4-cylinder engine only. V-6 engine features multi-port
fuel injection and tubular exhaust manifolds, produces over 50% more
power than the 4-cylinder. Suspension is revised to reduce bump
harshness and pitching behavior. Decklid hump replaces vented plate.

1986
GT model receives fastback bodywork. 5-speed manual transmission
introduced on some late '86 V-6 equipped cars, 4-speed still most
common. SE model receives '85 GT style bodywork. Gauges are revised
for V-6 cars, featuring vivid backlighting and wrap-around tachometer.
3rd brake light added. Headrest stereo speakers are deleted. 15-inch
wheels with offset tire sizes are found on the GT. Weave style wheel
introduced. Suspension is recalibrated, improving rough road behavior
further.

1987
5-speed manual standard on V-6 models. V-6 engine receives improvements
to combustion efficiency, counter-weighting, and lubrication. 4-cylinder
receives substantial improvements to lubrication system as well as the
addition of balance shafts and a small power increase (about 98 horsepower
vs 92 for the previous engine). Suspension is again slightly revised.
Speedometer limit for V-6 cars is increased to 120 mph. Improvements
are also found in the hydraulic clutch and braking systems. The headlight
motors were also upgraded to more reliable and quieter units (thankfully).

1988
Monochrome paint is an option. T-top option added. Vented discs
come standard. Suspension is revised to reduce scrub radius and rough
road behavior. Lotus actually had nothing to do with the suspension
improvement as most Fiero fans would like to claim, it was merely a
media rumor. The suspension is completely unique. V-6 engine is again
improved to increase longevity. Fiero cancelled.

Pontiac Fiero Model Specifications
Year Weight Axle Trans Engine BHP@rpm Torque@rpm 0-60 1/4-mile
1984C 2464 3.32 4-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 12.5 18.9@70
1984C 2464 4.10 4-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.86 17.7@75
1984SE 2480 4.10 4-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.9 18.1@74
1985C 2505 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.8 18.0@74
1985SE 2560 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.4 15.5@90
1985GT 2572 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.5 15.7@87
1986C 2504 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.8 18.0@74
1986SE 2575 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.4 15.6@89
1986GT 2696 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.5 15.9@85
1987C 2546 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 96@4800 135@3200 10.5 17.6@75
1987SE 2567 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.6 15.8@87
1987GT 2708 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.8 15.9@86
1988C 2547 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 98@4800 135@3200 10.5 17.6@75
1988FM 2580 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.4 15.5@89
1988GT 2735 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.8 16.0@85 "

[This message has been edited by AutoTech (edited 07-07-2007).]

Just say "Yes sir, but I have the c0ck of a adult film professional." and walk out with your girl, hand on her ass.

quote Originally posted by WhiteDevil88: Just say "Yes sir.

Leave off the rest of the quote, you'll be a lot happier. If some kid said the rest of this quote to me about my daughter and I heard it, he'd be picking himself up off the floor. But, that's just me.

What happened to the family forum we're all supposed to be supporting?

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Ron
Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all. Some ran the other way.

Dude, that was really uncalled for. I take offense to all of what you just said.

quote Originally posted by RideZiLightning: Dude, that was really uncalled for. I take offense to all of what you just said.

I'm assuming and hoping you are referring to WhiteDevil88's statement?

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Ron
Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all. Some ran the other way.

Are you driving your 3800 powered car? If so just take him for a spin in it . Of the many people i've met and work with, alot had a negative view of the fiero. The guys at work always used to ride my a$$ about it, till I took them for a spin at lunch time. They all have changed their mind about the fiero and think it's "a slick little scoot" . Sometimes it just takes a sphincter puckering experiance to get them to see your point of view .

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ARCHIES JUNK IS FASTER THAN SHAUNNA'S JUNK

[This message has been edited by FIEROPHREK (edited 07-07-2007).]

Ya, I was referring to whitedevil's post, and I am driving my 3800sc car. If a ride in it won't change his mind nothing will.

quote Originally posted by RideZiLightning: Dude, that was really uncalled for. I take offense to all of what you just said.

They don't call 'em "red bars" for nothing.

Someone here on PFF once said about the Fiero (not sure this is an exact quote): "A guy I worked with had one. I absolutely hated that car, but he was always after me to drive it. One day my car broke down, and I wound up having to drive his. Damn, damn, damn."

Wait until he has a mechanical problem or something, and drive your car out to pick him up, hand him the keys, and let him drive back, hehe...

[This message has been edited by Vonov (edited 07-07-2007).]

quote Originally posted by Vonov: Someone here on PFF once said about the Fiero (not sure this is an exact quote): "A guy I worked with had one. I absolutely hated that car, but he was always after me to drive it. One day my car broke down, and I wound up having to drive his. Damn, damn, damn." Wait until he has a mechanical problem or something, and drive your car out to pick him up, hand him the keys, and let him drive back, hehe...

Though it wasn't me that said that, I've been there and done that several times. It's always a blast to see their faces as they floor the accelerator and then go around that corner faster than they've ever done it before. I always tell them to drive it like they stole it but, I'm also always in the car with them. Yeah, it's priceless.

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Ron
Land of the Free because of the Brave. Most gave some, some gave all. Some ran the other way.

quote Originally posted by AutoTech: - The Fiero received a 5-star crash safety rating, second safest car in its class throughout its production.

Second safest car period. The only reason it placed there was Pontiac wasn't willing to offer front or rear clips for easier and cheaper replacements after accidents.

I currently own 2 Fiero's and I have owned another 2 in the past. My sister bought one brand new in 84 which I ended up buying from her 2 months later cause she couldn't handle the stiffness of the clutch (she is tiny). My dad has givin me so much crap about owning Fiero's and how they are junk, I am neck deep in it. No matter what i say to him he still thinks I am crazy. it's a no win battle for me cause my dad is in very poor health and I can not take him for a ride or let him drive my car.
My advice to you is this... The next time you see him and he makes that sort of comment, don't say anything at all, just hand him your keys. When he comes back with that lovely smile on his face, take your keys back, say "cya later" and leave.

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My best advice when it comes to your Fiero is to "NOT" do any dealings with www.kitcarman.com

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-061575.html <~ The drama with kitcarman
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/078336.html <~ finishing and fixing kitcarmans mess
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/079860.html <~ re-do after kitcarmans motor blew up

VIAGRA - Strong enough for a man but made for a woman

quote Originally posted by AutoTech: Here you go, just print this out and hand it to him. Some interesting info. "Performance - The V-6 Fiero hit .84-.86g on the skidpad (4-cyl was roughly .80-.82g) Porsche 911 Carrera -> .85g (the Carrera 4 was at .83g) Ferrari Testarossa -> .84g Lotus Esprit Turbo -> .86g Lamborghini Diablo VT -> .87g Acura NSX -> .87g Acura Integra GS-R -> .82g Pontiac Firebird Trans Am/Formula ('93+) -> .82g-.85g Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX -> .86g - The Fiero ran the slalom at 63.4-63.9 mph (about 61.5 for 4-cyl. models). Pontiac Firebird Trans Am -> 59.7 mph Lotus Epsrit S4 -> 60.6 mph Porsche 911 Carrera -> 61.9 mph BMW M3 -> 62.8 mph Corvette ZR-1 -> 63.6 mph Ferrari 348 -> 62.8 mph Acura NSX -> 62.3 mph Dodge Viper -> 62.7 mph Ford Mustang Cobra (1994) -> 61.1 mph Nissan 300ZX Turbo -> 63.0 mph - The V-6 Fiero consistantly accelerated from 0-30 in 2.2 seconds. The Lamborghini Diablo manages 0-30 in 2.2 seconds. - Best 1/4-mile time for a stock V-6 Fiero: 14.7 @ 92 mph Worst: 17.0 @ 80 mph Both Fieros were GT's with manual transmissions. - Best top speed for a stock V-6 Fiero: 135 mph Worst: 115 mph Both Fieros were '85 GT's, the latter with an automatic transmission. General - Pontiac purchased Ferrari 308's for handling engineering and comparison purposes. - Many V-6 engines in Fieros dynoed at between 150 and 160 bhp. - The Fiero turned in a profit every year it was sold (including 1988). - Fiero prototypes were running in 1980. - Most foreign auto magazines raved about the Fiero's superior handling, its nimble response and excellent road feel. Most American auto magazines criticized the Fiero's handling as being numb, heavy and not responsive. - The decisions to kill the Fiero was made on February 29, 1988. - The Fiero had nearly 3 times as many sales as the MR2 during any given year in its lifetime. - Pontiac spent over $300,000,000 to produce the Fiero, yet cancelled the car on a "hunch" they would lose a maximum of $20-million between 1988 and 1995. - Several factory prototypes were made of a Fiero convertible. - Two prototypes were made in 1986 of a Fiero with an aluminum frame. One of the aluminum Fieros had a 190 bhp Quad-4. - Car & Driver called the Fiero, "One of the best cars in America" and gave the Fiero a slot in their top ten best category. - The Los Angeles Auto Expo gave the Fiero their Design of the Year Award. - The 1984 Pontiac Fiero was the first production car to use large magnesium alloy components. - The Fiero received a 5-star crash safety rating, second safest car in its class throughout its production. - The Fiero accounted for nearly 1/4 of all Pontiac sales in 1984. - Spectators at the unvailing of the fastback Fiero mistook the GT version as a new Corvette. - The Fiero Indy Pace Car was the first mid-engined 4 cylinder car ever to pace the Indy 500. - GM was struggling with the problem of employees purchasing Fieros before the public had an opportunity. Never before had this been a problem with a GM car. - Even though the highest sticker price for an '84 Fiero was about $10,000, one Michigan buyer paid over $15,000 for an '84 SE. - The Fiero was the first American car to win in IMSA GTU. - In 1985, the Fiero won at Sears Point (one of 3 straight victories), beating such successful competitors as Chevrolet's Corvette and Ford's Mustang. - A 4-cylinder Fiero belting out only 370 bhp took the NHRA's Competition Eliminator title at the Keystone Nationals on September 15, 1985 with a best 1/4-mile time of 9.72 seconds at 134.41 mph. - The Fiero won well over 40 races in the 36 months it raced. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1984 Final drive ratio which improved 0-60 times from about 12.5 seconds to around 11. Optional Indy edition featured white paint with red trim, red on gray interior, performance final drive ratio, and "aero" body work (nearly identical to an '85 GT's). Most common year for engine fire problems. Causes were insufficient oil capacity, flawed connecting rods shipped from the Saginaw factory, and improper placement of some engine bay components. Recall issued, all '84 Fieros have been serviced and corrected according to Pontiac Motor Division. 1985 4-cylinder renamed Tech-IV and received minor improvements. GT model added featuring a revised body, WS6 suspension, and new trim options. 2.8-liter V-6 introduced as an option for the GT and SE models. 4-speed manual or 3-speed automatic available for V-6 engine option, 5-speed manual added for 4-cylinder engine only. V-6 engine features multi-port fuel injection and tubular exhaust manifolds, produces over 50% more power than the 4-cylinder. Suspension is revised to reduce bump harshness and pitching behavior. Decklid hump replaces vented plate. 1986 GT model receives fastback bodywork. 5-speed manual transmission introduced on some late '86 V-6 equipped cars, 4-speed still most common. SE model receives '85 GT style bodywork. Gauges are revised for V-6 cars, featuring vivid backlighting and wrap-around tachometer. 3rd brake light added. Headrest stereo speakers are deleted. 15-inch wheels with offset tire sizes are found on the GT. Weave style wheel introduced. Suspension is recalibrated, improving rough road behavior further. 1987 5-speed manual standard on V-6 models. V-6 engine receives improvements to combustion efficiency, counter-weighting, and lubrication. 4-cylinder receives substantial improvements to lubrication system as well as the addition of balance shafts and a small power increase (about 98 horsepower vs 92 for the previous engine). Suspension is again slightly revised. Speedometer limit for V-6 cars is increased to 120 mph. Improvements are also found in the hydraulic clutch and braking systems. The headlight motors were also upgraded to more reliable and quieter units (thankfully). 1988 Monochrome paint is an option. T-top option added. Vented discs come standard. Suspension is revised to reduce scrub radius and rough road behavior. Lotus actually had nothing to do with the suspension improvement as most Fiero fans would like to claim, it was merely a media rumor. The suspension is completely unique. V-6 engine is again improved to increase longevity. Fiero cancelled. Pontiac Fiero Model Specifications Year Weight Axle Trans Engine BHP@rpm Torque@rpm 0-60 1/4-mile 1984C 2464 3.32 4-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 12.5 18.9@70 1984C 2464 4.10 4-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.86 17.7@75 1984SE 2480 4.10 4-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.9 18.1@74 1985C 2505 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.8 18.0@74 1985SE 2560 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.4 15.5@90 1985GT 2572 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.5 15.7@87 1986C 2504 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 92@4000 134@2800 10.8 18.0@74 1986SE 2575 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.4 15.6@89 1986GT 2696 3.65 4-spd 6-cyl 140@5200 170@3600 7.5 15.9@85 1987C 2546 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 96@4800 135@3200 10.5 17.6@75 1987SE 2567 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.6 15.8@87 1987GT 2708 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.8 15.9@86 1988C 2547 3.35 5-spd 4-cyl 98@4800 135@3200 10.5 17.6@75 1988FM 2580 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.4 15.5@89 1988GT 2735 3.61 5-spd 6-cyl 135@4500 165@3600 7.8 16.0@85 "

Thats awesome! Would you mind if I put this info on the new Myspace Fiero page? (myspace.com/fierofoto)

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My First Fiero - Rachel - 1986 GT

Fiero Fotographia

[This message has been edited by CaliforniaSpeeder9 (edited 07-08-2007).]

Not in a million years am I going to let him drive my car. Its an unknown mileage getrag hooked up to that thing and if it goes boom because of him acting like an idiot then theres gunna be hell to pay.

Ask him if he's had one. If he says "no", be sure to interrupt him right afterwards by saying "Then shut up."

That's a winner - I gotta try that one, it just makes *sense* Nothing like rubbing ignorance in someone's face... haha!

Show him the pictures in the Carnage thread and tell him everyone walked away from those wrecks. Not bad for 20 year old cars.

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Dave

www.ltlfrari.com

quote Originally posted by CaliforniaSpeeder9: Thats awesome! Would you mind if I put this info on the new Myspace Fiero page? (myspace.com/fierofoto)

Go for it

Just say, "yep I know it, my Fiero has caught on Fire 3 times this week"

Who cares, your bangin his daughter LOL!!!

Edit: I spelled "Fire", Fiero... no joke lol

[This message has been edited by greengoblin0129 (edited 07-08-2007).]

quote Originally posted by RideZiLightning: My girlfriends Dad will not budge from his idea that Fieros are total crap. We can never talk long enough for me to ever hear anything than "you have 3 Fieros, thats 3 too many" and other crap. Does anyone have an old thread with a huge list of all the great things about the Fiero or like a compiled list or something? It's all I ever hear when I see him, which is never for more than 2-3 minutes. Edit: I can't believe I spelled those 2 "Fiero's" with apostrophes

I don't think that you're going to change his mind with only 2-3 minutes at a time. With more time I would recommend talking about a variety of cars, but make sure to cover both the good and bad points. Admire other cars, and admit the faults the Fiero does have; just make sure that he hears that every car has faults, no matter how good it is. If he feels that you have a fair, unbiased view of cars in general then he might be more receptive. Of course, just my opinion

I just listened to a doctor explain -for two hours- that "real" men don't care what their father-in-law thinks.....

Seriously. Who cares?

quote Originally posted by Emc209i: I just listened to a doctor explain -for two hours- that "real" men don't care what their father-in-law thinks..... Seriously. Who cares?

Huh? How exactly does this contribute? I'm not treating it differently than I would if it was from anyone else, it is just I have to hear it alot more often because its him. I don't constantly have other people telling me my cars a POS.

..it was ment as humor, but its actually true. I'm just saying that... well you'd probably be happier if you just ignored what he though and just enjoyed the car.

I would ignore it. He may be trying to see if you can take it though, some guys just like to poke ya and see if you poke back, after 2 1/2 years he should know you pretty good. He might actually enjoy it if you made fun of his car it would give you two something to talk about. There are some real weird characters out there.
Otherwise get your girl to say, I don't know, I like it better than any of our cars. Or better yet pretend she just bought one off Ebay!

The ol boy is probably a Ralph Nader supporter and his bible is the consumer reports magazine :> )

I agree that a drive in one is likely the best cure. One of my neighbors was always rolling his eyes when I started talking about how great i thought Fieros were. I took his son for a ride in one, a week later his son bought the car from me. That first week I saw his dad driving it more than his son was and he was smiling as he hammered that 88 GT down the street again and again. After a month they were at my front door asking if I would help them do a 5-speed conversion on it. They both love that car.

I am constantly reminded of how people will get a concrete opinion in their head about something they heard someone else tell them (usually that person has no experience either) and nothing you can "say" to them will ever change their minds. However, I believe a test drive is the best and only chance of changing ignorant Fiero misconceptions.

I have found that the safety rating, arge amounts of foot room, and comfy seats are usually what wins over the older crowd.

[This message has been edited by FieroMonkey (edited 07-09-2007).]