Its been a while since I have posted anything, so I decided to share a few pics from an autocross last fall. A little tire pressure work and my car will drift all day, although it is the super-slow way around a track. I had to crop the pics a bunch to get them to fit.
For details about the car, check the link in my sig.
Here is a video from a few years ago (different autocross) that scrabblegod posted for me.

www.scrabblegod.com/Psycho.avi


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More info at: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/043357.html

[This message has been edited by Bigfieroman (edited 01-14-2007).]

Umm...am I missing something? Do images not post any more? I put in the string from pip into the thread a bunch of times and submitted the changes, and it deletes the pics before posting. I suppose I can just post the links...if anyone can make them show up or at least tell me whats wrong, that would be super.

https://images.fiero.nl/pffimages2/Pennocks_d...
Thats just not right.

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 01-14-2007).]

You have to have IMG tags around the picture.

[edits]....



Looks like the picture name may have been freaking it out??? Just a guess, but perhaps there were too many _ in the name of the picture? It was doing exactly the same thing to me. The line would just diappear. I even downloaded you pic, then uploaded with PIP & tried again with the same results. It wasn't untill I edit the picture name to remove all but one of the underscores that it started working right. Not sure what the limit might be if that is what was crashing it.

[This message has been edited by RTNmsds (edited 01-14-2007).]

I did. With the tags, the whole line disappears and no pic shows. I removed the tags so people could see the pics

Being a big Fiero man means your helmet sticks out the sun roof.

I tried removing the underscores...still no go!!

FORGET PIP! =P See my sig. Yeesh. All I hear about PIP is it giving people problems, and them posting oversized "<100k" images... just put PIP out of its misery... lol.

Anyway... all I can say is wow. That's pretty badass.

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'87 Fiero GT, Automatic, 153k miles, stock everything, just trying to make it all work again.
PIP giving you problems? Want to post pix straight from your camera? Check out http://hostfile.org!

Thanks!

Good God your head is freekin huge ! Don't worry Dan Gurney had to have his GT 40 modded so he could fit .

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HARDCORE SBC CRONIE AND PROUD OF IT ! GOT TQ ?

quote Originally posted by Bigfieroman: Thanks!

Actually doing this jacked my system all up. Says something tried to get into my computer. Came when I did you third picture.

Well after trying out my... okay, I'll shut up.

But you seriously should get rid of Norton. It's nothing but trouble and false positives. The only viruses on the Internet today are called "malware" and they're made by ad companies trying to sell you crap like Norton and installing popup software on your computer... =(

Anyway, the car is on rails with closer to normal tire pressures, and does really well in the autocrosses. However, when i want some fun, i just jack them p to 45+ and I can slide all day!

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: But you seriously should get rid of Norton. It's nothing but trouble and false positives. The only viruses on the Internet today are called "malware" and they're made by ad companies trying to sell you crap like Norton and installing popup software on your computer... =(

If you think spyware are the only viruses around, you've probably got a lot more than that on your system.

As for drifting a Fiero, it's pretty easy, especially on old worn out rubber bushings, and the pre-88 suspension. The part of the car that probably adds the most difficulty to whipping one around at speed, is the slow ratio on the steering rack. You've really got to crank the wheel around to break the back end out, unless you're on a course where there is some amount of water or gravel to loosen the traction.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Well after trying out my... okay, I'll shut up. But you seriously should get rid of Norton. It's nothing but trouble and false positives. The only viruses on the Internet today are called "malware" and they're made by ad companies trying to sell you crap like Norton and installing popup software on your computer... =(

And Norton doesn't catch them anyway

Nice drifting.

[This message has been edited by FieroGT42 (edited 01-15-2007).]

i dont like the heavy understeer to sudden snap oversteer. give me a 240sx for drifting

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: FORGET PIP! =P See my sig. Yeesh. All I hear about PIP is it giving people problems, and them posting oversized "<100k" images... just put PIP out of its misery... lol.

Oh noes, what surprise. Found something else to complain about? Found yet another excuse to plug your site and diss PIP?

It isn't PIP. You can't post images from certain hosts. The forum software will simply remove those images from your post. If it's from an official PFF image server then something I changed in the forum software yesterday messes up the images. (I will have a look at that)

(Maybe I should put your site on the ban list too so you no longer have a reason to diss PIP and will finally shut up about it.)

Being out here in Japan, I've had the pleasure of trying an 86 Corolla, R32 and R34 Skyline. Both are fun to throw around, I even saw an MR2 on a drift course. That was impressive. I wish I had a Fiero out here so I could try it out and get into the scene. I refuse to drive anything less.

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[This message has been edited by Newbfiero (edited 01-15-2007).]

There. All is well again. I had changed the way URLs are shortened yesterday and forget to take out a line of test code. Long story short, if the URL contained the word "pennock" the URL would be changed to a test string causing the image filter to kick in.

quote Originally posted by Cliff Pennock: (Maybe I should put your site on the ban list too so you no longer have a reason to diss PIP and will finally shut up about it.)

Maybe you shouldn't have blown up in my face when I offered to help improve PIP then.

Yeah, since after all, who wants to upload pictures right off their camera without having to figure out how to resize them under 100k?

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Maybe you shouldn't have blown up in my face when I offered to help improve PIP then.

What, with all the knowledge you have been showing about coding? All of the things you have blamed on PIP so far turned out to be something else. You complain about the maximum size of images, well guess what bud, that's because a lot of people don't have a super fast broadband connection and they don't want to wait for ever because people post 10, 20 or 30 3Mb images directly from their camera. It was put there because it was a feature requested by the members.

And you wonder why I blow up in your face? Well, maybe because every other post I read from you, you complain about how badly coded PIP is. Or how user unfriendly it is. Or you complain about the forum software. It's always something. All the while you are plugging your own site. Or the fact I actually had to tell you to remove your PIP-dissing signature, you know the one where you plastered the text "Tired of Problematic Image Poster? Use my l33t hosting site instead". Except for the "l33t" part, that was pretty much verbatim what you had in your signature.

You know, you were speed-banned by the system because you were able to rake up 5 times as much negative as positive ratings in your first week or so. You even told me you had been banned from other forums as well. I undid that speed-ban. And now you are making me regret that.

So quit your whining about PIP or the forum software. It's great you are offering a service to other members but I'm getting sick and tired of you promoting your own site by saying everything else sucks.

FWIW, here's an image posted straight off my digital camera.



And it doesn't look like a 3mb image to me, looks more like 61kb and loads in about 10 seconds over a 56k connection. I spread my site around so much because I put hours, days, weeks of work into it (especially the current version) and I don't advertise anywhere but where I go. I'll try not to get back into PIP bashing but to sum it up, it looks and acts like something for Windows 95. I hadn't even downloaded PIP until about 3 minutes ago and I was only going off other user experiences.

You've got a PM (reply) and I hope you take it more as an invitation - once again - to help, as opposed to the way you're taking everything else, as a bashing fest. I haven't read the book "How to make friends and influence people" so you'll have to excuse my 4:30AM style of writing. I'm only trying to help.

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[This message has been edited by Newbfiero (edited 01-15-2007).]

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: I hadn't even downloaded PIP until about 3 minutes ago and I was only going off other user experiences.

So you were dissing PIP all this time while you had never even seen it before? Wow. Just... wow.

"Other user's experiences". You mean, like the people in this thread who weren't even blaming PIP for images not showing up until you "mentioned" it must be PIP again. Or you insisting on blaming PIP for the 100K image limitation (while it's a limitation imposed by the PFF image servers which PIP adheres to - because it's that smart). Or you blame it on PIP when people's firewalls are blocking PIP's access to the internet. Or you diss PIP simply because when entering the auto config URL, you need to enter "http://" as well.

You see, what you can't seem to grasp is that I couldn't care less if people use PIP, your site, or any other file hosting site for posting pictures. But what I do mind is that you keep telling people to drop everything else and use your image hosting site instead. And in the process, make all kinds of false claims about those other programs/sites.

You offered to "help" me "improve" PIP. Yeah, that is correct. You did just that. And according to you I should just fork over the source code because, well, you said so. And just because you asked to "help" me, I should just shut up when you are bashing PIP or the forum software once again.

Rrrrrright.

I'm done here.

For the onlooking crowd of "how much further off topic are these two people going to take this?"-watchers, I never asked for the source code. Nor do I know what I would do with it if I did have it, or why it would be protected in the first place. I've only offered to help improve it. Apparently Cliff thinks there's nothing to improve and anyone that thinks it could be improved (because they built an "improvement" themselves? naaah) is an idiot...

I haven't the slightest idea where you're coming up with these arguments but I only ask for the sake of this topic that if you've got anything else to add, to please reply to my PM instead of continuing this horrendous off-topic crap-flinging fest...

I think I stand for everyone when I say...Falcon4, shut up.

You're arguing a pointless debate. PIP is a small VB application which works perfect for most users. Yes, it could be moved to be an online application, but the current app works great and doesn't need to be improved since there's no real point yet. The downloadable application itself helps prevent server image spam, and other useless submissions to the server.

As for the 100k+ images being shown as a little clip, I love it. I prefer more about page load time then the images all shown, since I prefer to read things through. If I want the image, I simply click on it.

Anyway, there's my 2 cents. Quit knocking PFF. It's a great resource.

quote Originally posted by Scythe: I think I stand for everyone when I say...Falcon4, shut up.

Here here! I think I'll port PIP over to an app that will run on Windows, Mac OS, Linux, BSD, and even on the Nokia 770/800 internet devices. Pics straight from your phone, to PFF! Wonder if anyone would even care to have that feature.

quote Originally posted by Scythe: I think I stand for everyone when I say...Falcon4, shut up.

Agreed.

Cliff, I'm beginning to think your Speed Ban system was working right in the first place.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Agreed. Cliff, I'm beginning to think your Speed Ban system was working right in the first place.

Either way, it looks like he might be about to get banned again with that shiny red bar.

Falcon4 you do know that Cliff owns this forum, do you? Dissing his PIP program and spamming your's is certainly not the way to make friends and influence people. Here's a hint for you, piss of Cliff enough and he will will make sure you never do it again, at least on his forum.

For what it's worth, I've been having trouble getting PIP to work for some reason. I used to use it a lot, and found it very handy. Because of that, I've been using the Hostfile thing that Falcon mentioned was available. Personally I don't see it as any kind of competition to PIP, in fact quite the opposite- I see it as a way to save Cliff some space on his server. I haven't tried the image reduction thumbnail thing that is shown in the example above, I didn't know it existed as a feature. As far as that goes, two things that I do like about it is that I don't have to re-size my images, and it offers the opportunity to click on an image to see a larger version- something that really comes in handy in the Girls with/without Fieros threads.

I hate to see people argue. I think that Falcon4 is between being proud of his effort and really trying to be helpful. The way he expresses himself may not come across with the finest of a diplomat, but having read his more personal posts I can see where it comes from and why it happens. The one thing that I have valued most about this place is that people work together to help each other out. Without a doubt, that is what makes this place more of a family than meeting strangers at a fast food restaurant.

Most everyone who comes here has worth and value. I understand how easy it is to react to comments made by someone which then turn into a pissing match that spirals into a mess that leads to ill feelings all the way around. I would like to see more constructive feedback to members that have a hard time expressing themselves. I understand that a big part of not being able to do that rests on the fact that because we sit in front of computer screens and do not have the ability to see our members for who they really are beyond what they type into the forum. I would urge anyone who feels compelled to type responses that belittle the efforts of anyone to hit the back button instead of the "submit reply" button. I have found that doing this myself has made me feel a little better about something that I had a strong reaction to and gave me the time to think of a more appropriate response, if any at all.

Personally, I can't think of a single soul on this forum that I would like to see gone. Not one. Imagine eating crackers (no offense to white people) all day long. Variety is the spice of life.

I recently read a post for the first time titled "Classic Fiero Owners Group, International / CFOGi Closure." The one thing that really struck me was that PFF is without a doubt the best way for Fiero owners to communicate and share things with one another. I have said it before and will say it again: The service that Cliff provides all of us is immeasurable. This is THE place to be for Fiero owners. To me, this is more than a club. This has evolved into a society:

A society is a grouping of individuals, which is characterized by common interest and may have distinctive culture and institutions. "Society" may refer to a particular people, such as the Nuer, to a nation state, such as Switzerland, or to a broader cultural group, such as Western society. Society can also be explained as an organized group of people associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes.

As such, can't we work together to promote our common cause? Just as we help one another with tangible issues relating to our car(s), I believe that as a society we have a responsibility to help one another with intangible issues as well. How many threads have been posted by those who need help with life in general? So many of us in this Fiero society have gone to the aid of those asking for help, often going above and beyond what even that person's own family would do for them. To me that says a lot. The thing that is more difficult to do is to help those who don't ask for it or even realize that they need it.

Cliff, I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your efforts and contribution to everyone here as well as having made a significant difference in my life. To some this may just be a place to visit when they're looking for a cheap car to buy then sell. To me, this a place where I can share my life. A place where I can enjoy the company of others, share in the joys of newborn Fiero owners, and share in a laugh or two.

Falcon4, you have a great deal of potential. I appreciate the effort you put into your Hostfile site, though I don't know nor do I understand your contribution to its development. Pride is a dangerous tool. When used properly, it provides confidence to tackle things that others might not attempt. But, it is a double edged sword. Think about how your comments may be taken by others before you make them. Read your posts as though they were going to be meant for yourself, but keep in mind that not everyone will take them the same way that you might... so maybe you should pretend that they are being read by a well respected grandmother.

I like it when someone tells me how I can do something better, and particularly when someone teaches me anything that improves the way I think. I don't feel that I'm growing as a person without that feedback.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: For the onlooking crowd of "how much further off topic are these two people going to take this?"-watchers, I never asked for the source code. Nor do I know what I would do with it if I did have it, or why it would be protected in the first place. I've only offered to help improve it. Apparently Cliff thinks there's nothing to improve and anyone that thinks it could be improved (because they built an "improvement" themselves? naaah) is an idiot... I haven't the slightest idea where you're coming up with these arguments but I only ask for the sake of this topic that if you've got anything else to add, to please reply to my PM instead of continuing this horrendous off-topic crap-flinging fest...

What part of shut up don't you get.
Maybe you should have kept your bulllshit in PM in the first place. You're rude. I would have kicked your ass out of my house had you acted like this.

After reading all that, I could use a beer.

Anyways, do you experience lift throttle oversteer, with that driffting, or is it snap oversteer?

quote Originally posted by F-I-E-R-O: For what it's worth, I've been having trouble getting PIP to work for some reason. I used to use it a lot, and found it very handy. Because of that, I've been using the Hostfile thing that Falcon mentioned was available. Personally I don't see it as any kind of competition to PIP, in fact quite the opposite- I see it as a way to save Cliff some space on his server. I haven't tried the image reduction thumbnail thing that is shown in the example above, I didn't know it existed as a feature. As far as that goes, two things that I do like about it is that I don't have to re-size my images, and it offers the opportunity to click on an image to see a larger version- something that really comes in handy in the Girls with/without Fieros threads. I hate to see people argue. I think that Falcon4 is between being proud of his effort and really trying to be helpful. The way he expresses himself may not come across with the finest of a diplomat, but having read his more personal posts I can see where it comes from and why it happens. The one thing that I have valued most about this place is that people work together to help each other out. Without a doubt, that is what makes this place more of a family than meeting strangers at a fast food restaurant. Most everyone who comes here has worth and value. I understand how easy it is to react to comments made by someone which then turn into a pissing match that spirals into a mess that leads to ill feelings all the way around. I would like to see more constructive feedback to members that have a hard time expressing themselves. I understand that a big part of not being able to do that rests on the fact that because we sit in front of computer screens and do not have the ability to see our members for who they really are beyond what they type into the forum. I would urge anyone who feels compelled to type responses that belittle the efforts of anyone to hit the back button instead of the "submit reply" button. I have found that doing this myself has made me feel a little better about something that I had a strong reaction to and gave me the time to think of a more appropriate response, if any at all. Personally, I can't think of a single soul on this forum that I would like to see gone. Not one. Imagine eating crackers (no offense to white people) all day long. Variety is the spice of life. I recently read a post for the first time titled "Classic Fiero Owners Group, International / CFOGi Closure." The one thing that really struck me was that PFF is without a doubt the best way for Fiero owners to communicate and share things with one another. I have said it before and will say it again: The service that Cliff provides all of us is immeasurable. This is THE place to be for Fiero owners. To me, this is more than a club. This has evolved into a society: A society is a grouping of individuals, which is characterized by common interest and may have distinctive culture and institutions. "Society" may refer to a particular people, such as the Nuer, to a nation state, such as Switzerland, or to a broader cultural group, such as Western society. Society can also be explained as an organized group of people associated together for religious, benevolent, cultural, scientific, political, patriotic, or other purposes. As such, can't we work together to promote our common cause? Just as we help one another with tangible issues relating to our car(s), I believe that as a society we have a responsibility to help one another with intangible issues as well. How many threads have been posted by those who need help with life in general? So many of us in this Fiero society have gone to the aid of those asking for help, often going above and beyond what even that person's own family would do for them. To me that says a lot. The thing that is more difficult to do is to help those who don't ask for it or even realize that they need it. Cliff, I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate your efforts and contribution to everyone here as well as having made a significant difference in my life. To some this may just be a place to visit when they're looking for a cheap car to buy then sell. To me, this a place where I can share my life. A place where I can enjoy the company of others, share in the joys of newborn Fiero owners, and share in a laugh or two. Falcon4, you have a great deal of potential. I appreciate the effort you put into your Hostfile site, though I don't know nor do I understand your contribution to its development. Pride is a dangerous tool. When used properly, it provides confidence to tackle things that others might not attempt. But, it is a double edged sword. Think about how your comments may be taken by others before you make them. Read your posts as though they were going to be meant for yourself, but keep in mind that not everyone will take them the same way that you might... so maybe you should pretend that they are being read by a well respected grandmother. I like it when someone tells me how I can do something better, and particularly when someone teaches me anything that improves the way I think. I don't feel that I'm growing as a person without that feedback.

Though much of what you said is true, there's a fine line between helpful and spam. If you constantly throw your URL out there like "Mines so much better than yours"...then that is easily characterized as spam. Thus, it's unappreciated.

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[This message has been edited by Newbfiero (edited 01-15-2007).]

Fierowannabe- That is lift throttle oversteer, brought on intentionally. The slides are actually slow and controllable with 255s out back. With normal autox pressures, the oversteer disappears.

Cliff- Glad I could help "test" the software. I wish you would have just banned him or took it to PMs, but whatever, it's your forum.

Falcon4- Thanks for the compliment in your original post, but other than that, STFU.

F-I-E-R-O- Wow. Your pretentious essay made me puke in my mouth a little. The argument was over, why did you jump in after the fact with that off topic New Yorker article?

Everyone else- Please, try to keep it on topic?