ok short story before i get into specs... love fieros to death, have had mine 3 years, absolutely hate mustangs think their overrated. recently my brother (2 years younger than me) got a 1996 mustang, hate it to death, but.. he thinks its faster and we havent gotten around to racing, and probably wont till next summer. 1) drag stip will close soon 2) id be running my winter snow tires and thats not good.

so heres the deal. I have a 1986 se 2.8 v6 auto. looking at 111k miles with a rebuild aroudn 60-65k somewere in there. great shape, leaks minor bit of oil, engine is about as stock as it can be for a 20 year old car. never really raced it on a drag before so thats a disadvantage, but neithor has he so were both about equal there. in summer i usually run wider tires, wich to me seem to pick up bettor off a quick start and run bettor overall

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a stock 96 mustang with what shoudl be a 96-99 engine and its a v6 auto also..(it was replaced becuse when he bought it the other one was blown and froze.. so not sure on the exact year) its a non gt, so it has jsut stock exhaust and everything..

now comes the fun part... dont know if anyone has raced head to head against a mustang wit similar specs, i know he posted on his mustang forum and what eveyone there agreed or seemed ot agree to is it will be about a .4 second difference if it were ideal stock vs stock and he woudl win by .4.. now.. i dont exactly belive tat but.. then agin.. you never know..

so if anyone has had expeirence or can give me some real concrete evidence to shove in his face that woudl be cool.. i get all differnt things for 0-60s and 1/4 mile times.. but a 1/4 mile is what we woudl run... and if it goes down next summer i defeinently will have a video of it..

well any imput jsut post it here..

sorry for spelling its from spending too much time on aim and stuff.. anways thanks..

-matt
86 se "killer sounding rice eater"

ps i will also post the same thing on the yahoo message board and post reponses on here..

[This message has been edited by ibshile (edited 10-30-2006).]

I once took a stock mustang head to head it was only a V6 and I think it was an auto, I'm not sure it's been a while since I talked to the guy. Like you I have an 86 2.8 auto and had no trouble pulling on him in a drag. His mustang was also 96 or 97. I don't have any "concrete evidence" or times, just the experience.

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[This message has been edited by 86Gold2M6 (edited 10-30-2006).]

Uhm letting us know what engine he has would be of major intrest. But if it is a V6

You will lose buy at least 5 car lenghts if not more. Probably about .5 - 1 second.

If it is a V8 you will get your A$$ handed to you on a platter.

I will guess you would lose by about 10-15 car lenghts and probably 1 - 1.5 seconds

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85GT 5spd ,93 Eldorado 4.9 Dual O2 Custom Chip, Archie Clutch. Custom Exhaust. MSD Everything 245/50/16's Not Your Average 4.9 Capt Fiero Com --- My Over View Cadero Pics Yellow 88GT 5spd Stock.

Seeing as how I'm 'the resident expert' on rustangs, I can lend you my opinion. Some useful insight. Every once in awhile I would drive my buddy's stock 96 v6 mustang with an auto. It was a pig. I raced a friend with a Escort ZX2 sport. It was pretty even. I later raced the ZX2 sport in my 86 v6 se(4 speed). I beat him on 5 cylinders. In other words....I think you have a chance. The v6 mustangs are pretty slow. 96-98 v6's and also the v8's were the slowest ones from that time forward. You'd get creamed by the 4.6L but that goes without saying .

according to a list of stock 1/4 miles times a 95 rustang with the v6 runs 17.3 in the 1/4. with an auto, sounds liek you would have a shot, and win with a 5sp

You could prolly beat him on some twisties, not sugesting side by side, just get some 3rd party with a stop watch.

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Ol' Paint, 88 Base coupe auto.
Turning white on top, like owner.
Leaks a little, like owner.
Doesn't smoke, unlike owner

Driven a 96 V6 Mustang and a 94 Thunderbird V6. I floored both (I think ) and they were dog slow. The T-bird was actually slower. You had to floor it just to barely keep up with traffic! You will beat him no problem.

when i was driving my 88gt 5spd around, my buddy was excited about his yellow mustang v6 convertible. he challenged me one wednesday night. there were no good straight roads so he played chase. he led the first lap and i dogged him the whole way. I pulled up next to him and he says "let's see what that old ride can do." I went to 4 grand and dumped the clutch. around the first corner i pulled away, i was still opening up by the second, after the third i never saw him until i stopped and got out of the fiero as he was coming around the last turn.

moral of the story: dont race in a straight line when you can do so much better through the turns

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"Semper Fiero"

You'll win, if he's stock. The 3.8L V6 doesn't have much more power than your 2.8, and the Stang is a lot heavier. Even if it was a V8, the '96-'98 GTs are slower than the V6 GM F-bodies (stock for stock).

However, they are now making twin turbo and centrifugal blower setups for V6 Stangs that (in some cases) will make >350rwhp. The 2.8 will spill its guts much past 250hp, and you need a turbo/nitrous just to do that IMO.

I may not be an "expert," but I've built a couple fast Mustangs...now I want to build a fast Fiero, as in 10 seconds or less. N*, here I come...

Ryan


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86 Fiero GT
-Stage eleventy billion...(pieces, that is!)

04 Mustang Cobra
-K&N FIPK
-DiabloSport Performance Tune
-MGW T-56 Shifter

[This message has been edited by Hulk (edited 10-30-2006).]

looking good so far.. even got a guy with stang giving his imput.. i got classes today.. but ill check back later.. thanks for all the imput so far.. looking like its gonna be close, and knowing how to drive is gonna play a huge role...

side note: talked to my dad the other day.. he said i might be my bro, but i sure wont beat him driving it .. lol..

i also might have to take soem advice and do a twistie.. lol..

only other thing thats got me thinking now is.. that new engine he put in.. were unsure of the exact year on it, so it may be a 99 in his 96... i doubt it is, but we werent told a year when they picked it up.

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quote Originally posted by Hulk: You'll win, if he's stock. The 3.8L V6 doesn't have much more power than your 2.8, and the Stang is a lot heavier. Even if it was a V8, the '96-'98 GTs are slower than the V6 GM F-bodies (stock for stock). However, they are now making twin turbo and centrifugal blower setups for V6 Stangs that (in some cases) will make >350rwhp. The 2.8 will spill its guts much past 250hp, and you need a turbo/nitrous just to do that IMO. I may not be an "expert," but I've built a couple fast Mustangs...now I want to build a fast Fiero, as in 10 seconds or less. N*, here I come... Ryan

Here I was thinking I was the only mustang guy on here. What all do you have done to the Cobra? There are a few v6 mustang guys making 500 rwhp but its not a good platform to start with.

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88' 5.0 Mustang GT
86' 2.8 Fiero SE

Him with an auto, you'll win. You'd hang with a 5.slow auto stang too btw. You'd hand it to a stunk V6 auto if you had a 5 spd. But I would not hesistate to run your car against his.

quote Originally posted by ibshile: ok short story before i get into specs... love fieros to death, have had mine 3 years, absolutely hate mustangs think their overrated. recently my brother (2 years younger than me) got a 1996 mustang, hate it to death, but.. he thinks its faster and we havent gotten around to racing, and probably wont till next summer. 1) drag stip will close soon 2) id be running my winter snow tires and thats not good. so heres the deal. I have a 1986 se 2.8 v6 auto. looking at 111k miles with a rebuild aroudn 60-65k somewere in there. great shape, leaks minor bit of oil, engine is about as stock as it can be for a 20 year old car. never really raced it on a drag before so thats a disadvantage, but neithor has he so were both about equal there. in summer i usually run wider tires, wich to me seem to pick up bettor off a quick start and run bettor overall vs a stock 96 mustang with what shoudl be a 96-99 engine and its a v6 auto also..(it was replaced becuse when he bought it the other one was blown and froze.. so not sure on the exact year) its a non gt, so it has jsut stock exhaust and everything.. now comes the fun part... dont know if anyone has raced head to head against a mustang wit similar specs, i know he posted on his mustang forum and what eveyone there agreed or seemed ot agree to is it will be about a .4 second difference if it were ideal stock vs stock and he woudl win by .4.. now.. i dont exactly belive tat but.. then agin.. you never know.. so if anyone has had expeirence or can give me some real concrete evidence to shove in his face that woudl be cool.. i get all differnt things for 0-60s and 1/4 mile times.. but a 1/4 mile is what we woudl run... and if it goes down next summer i defeinently will have a video of it.. well any imput jsut post it here.. sorry for spelling its from spending too much time on aim and stuff.. anways thanks.. -matt 86 se "killer sounding rice eater" ps i will also post the same thing on the yahoo message board and post reponses on here..

Just take a cruise on hwy 100 on any given weekend. im sure run into quite a few races and mustangs. but as a warning, i was quickly imbarased my first time out. even my 3800 swapped fiero seemed slow to many cars out. i dont live in milwaukee anymore, but since the move i figured out the recipe for a fast fiero (see sig) another visit is in store.

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85.5 Porsche 944 euro
71 Porsche 911 T Targa * will trade for Bell X1 *
82' Benz 300SD turbo . *for sale*
87' Fiero Cp. candy blue, Chrome 16"s, *will sale*

quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: Here I was thinking I was the only mustang guy on here.

Oh, but you are mistaken.....some of MY previous cars....








and my current daily driver....

Damn litespd, I never knew you had such beautiful cars.

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No longer have fieros, but still an admirer.

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: Him with an auto, you'll win. You'd hang with a 5.slow auto stang too btw. You'd hand it to a stunk V6 auto if you had a 5 spd. But I would not hesistate to run your car against his.

LOL! Some simple stuff to put this into perspective for you..... auto v6 mustang-slow turd. The 4.6L SOHC that comes in the 96-98 mustang gt is by far the slowest v8 mustang ford has put out in the last 20 years, it is still alot faster than the 3.8L v6 that comes in the base model mustang. My friend's 98 4.6L v8 with 5 speed with a few mods, about even with my STOCK motored 5.slow auto.


litespd- Love the cars, nice daily too.

quote Originally posted by litespd: Oh, but you are mistaken.....some of MY previous cars....

I, too, am a Mustang guy. If you look in the background of this pic, you'll see my old car.


It's a 2003 10th Anniversary Edition Convertible Cobra, lightly modded to over 400 rwhp.

I'm not sure who will win between a stock Fiero GT and stock '96 V6 Mustang.
I think that V6 Mustang runs a low 17-sec/ high 16-sec 1/4 mile.
A V6 Fiero should be in the mid 16's.

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so i happend to be google video searchign and found a gt mustang race.. i belive the fiero won.. but dont know for sure.. my bro says the fiero isnt stock and all the mustang has is exhaust..
1) i think the fiero is stock
2) the mustang looks liek its got more than jstu an exhauset... anyoen else got some imput?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2933117285095886619&q=fiero&hl=en

my 100hp, 3100lb 92 ford ranger (auto) walked away from a 96 v6 mustang convertible (5 speed). my 95 hp CRX (5 speed) walked away from a 98 v6 mustang (shifted like a stick, wasnt really paying attention tho). my 160(ish? untested) hp fiero walked away from a 2005 4.0 mustang (auto).

i don't know why they are so slow, the newer ones put up decent power numbers, just seems that most of it gets lost in translation on its way to the wheels.

to answer your question, you should have no problem taking the checkered flag. for whatever reason, v6 mustangs are some of the slowest turds on the road, maybe only surpassing 4 cyl mustangs (excluding SVO's obviously)

quote Originally posted by ibshile: so i happend to be google video searchign and found a gt mustang race.. i belive the fiero won.. but dont know for sure.. my bro says the fiero isnt stock and all the mustang has is exhaust.. 1) i think the fiero is stock 2) the mustang looks liek its got more than jstu an exhauset... anyoen else got some imput? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2933117285095886619&q=fiero&hl=en

no tat mustang isnt stock,
and hell no that fiero isnt stock. think v8.

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PROJECT 1986 GT Stormbringer

my old 87 gt 5spf could slightly, like half a car length, out run my friends stock 87 5spd 5.0 lx. I've been drivng stick 3 years longer, and had had my car longer so i think that gave me a bit of advantage, that and no wheel spinning in a fiero off the line. All i had done to mine was no cat, and ported exhaust manifold.

When i was shopping for a different car, before stumbling across my current 87 GT i test drove a 110,000kms ( 69,000miles) 96 mustang v6 5 speed. That thing was a dog, I don't know how it can be such a slow car considering it's background. I think you've got a pretty decent shot at winning as long as you don't break anything/run out of gas. I swear my 91' duke powered s10 could keep up with this mustang, and it's gotta be the slowest truck ever made.

quote Originally posted by FieroWannaBe: no tat mustang isnt stock, and hell no that fiero isnt stock. think v8.

I think it was a v8 fiero too, if I'm not mistaken, it has a pretty nice LSA on the cam too!

quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: Here I was thinking I was the only mustang guy on here. What all do you have done to the Cobra? There are a few v6 mustang guys making 500 rwhp but its not a good platform to start with.

I agree. I would take the Nissan 3.5L (I think?) over almost any other V6. My Terminator has the mods listed in my sig, so I haven't done much to it. Once I get my Fiero on the road, I will do some more serious work to the Cobra.

The one I was the proudest of was a '91 GT that I swapped a built 351W into from a F-150 Lightning. Everything else on the car was warmed over too, it was a serious car; I built it more for the street/twisties than for drag racing. Sadly, it burned up in my driveway after some particularly harsh driving. Even more sadly, I cannot blame it on Ford since everything on it was put on by me! I sold it to a guy that used everything off it to build a FFR Cobra replica. Turned out sweet, and if I had known that everything on the car (mechanically, even the engine) was still good I would've just bought a roller to swap it all into. Live and learn...

Now back to your regularly scheduled programming: no that Fiero isn't stock. It sounds like a V8 with a big cam (although that doesn't always mean anything. The Stang may or may not have been stock.

Ryan


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86 Fiero GT
-Stage eleventy billion...(pieces, that is!)

04 Mustang Cobra
-K&N FIPK
-DiabloSport Performance Tune
-MGW T-56 Shifter

[This message has been edited by Hulk (edited 10-31-2006).]

You should win easily, those V6 mustangs are really slow. I have a 2.8 stock auto that runs a 16.1 and I took a V6 mustang once easily. I don't know what year it was exactly but it was easy to beat.

not sure if u will win or not because I have never driven a automatic fiero gt, BUT I used to wax my friends automatic v8 mustang in my 5 speed neon all the time.

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: not sure if u will win or not because I have never driven a automatic fiero gt, BUT I used to wax my friends automatic v8 mustang in my 5 speed neon all the time.

SRT or BS? If its not an SRT it definitely seems like BS.

Disillusion- The 87-88 5.0's were speed density, they were faster than the mass air setup that came on the 89-93's and there were people running mid 13's with only tires, not slicks either. On top of that, the 5 speed lx's were the lightest foxes made. If you guys had swapped cars the outcome would have changed.

Hulk- that sucks , mine is pretty much the same way but less cubes. At least the parts went to good use.

quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: SRT or BS? If its not an SRT it definitely seems like BS. Disillusion- The 87-88 5.0's were speed density, they were faster than the mass air setup that came on the 89-93's and there were people running mid 13's with only tires, not slicks either. On top of that, the 5 speed lx's were the lightest foxes made. If you guys had swapped cars the outcome would have changed. Hulk- that sucks , mine is pretty much the same way but less cubes. At least the parts went to good use.

whoops! made a mistake. It was supposed to be v6, not v8, in my regular neon, and in my srt-4 i did wax v8 gt's tho. and a none supercharged svt cobra a fraind had would pull like a foot a mile on my srt-4

Before I knew what a fiero was (yes there was a time) when I was 15, I was looking for a mustang because I liked them a lot. I was forbidden for insurance purposes of buying a V8, so I was looking for a 94-96 V6 convertable. We actually drove a 95 V6 auto convert and though I didn't drive it, I could tell from the passenger seat is was slow as could be. Then I found my fiero, and I've been ok every since

BTW, I can sum up in a few numbers why you will win;

Fiero = 140 HP, 170 FT lbs 2700 lbs (with auto)
Mustang V6 = 150 HP, 210 ft lbs (guesstimate) and at least 3200 lbs.

He's got 10 HP on you OMG!!! even with the extra HP and torque he will more than make up for it with weight dragging him back down.

O, and on one more side note. One the turbo saturn used to be stock (O, god, the days) I walked a low mile 88 GT with an auto. Yes I have a 5 spd, which is my point. The saturn has 124HP/122 ft lbs stock, and because of a 300 or 400 lb weight advantage and a 5 spd, it made up for 16 HP and 48 ft lbs.

Get a 4:10 four speed and learn to drive, he wouldn't be able to keep up if you gave him a 10 MPH advantage.

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My cardomain site: cardomain.com/memberpage/702872
T3 60 trim + 4 PSI + crappy tires = 14.47 @ 99 MPH and 31 MPG

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: whoops! made a mistake. It was supposed to be v6, not v8, in my regular neon, and in my srt-4 i did wax v8 gt's tho. and a none supercharged svt cobra a fraind had would pull like a foot a mile on my srt-4

As previously stated the six's are slow , I don't personally like srt4s because the typical srt4 owner thinks he is the king of the road. They have amazing potential though. There is one running around my town with over 700rwhp. Its still an srt4 though .

cooguyfish- the weight doesn't play a large factor on the top end . The 4.10's will help alot but will limit the top end. I use to have 4.30's in the rear and now have 3.73's .

EDIT: I loved the 4.30's though, car felt much quicker with them. Wish I still had them actually.

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quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: cooguyfish- the weight doesn't play a large factor on the top end . The 4.10's will help alot but will limit the top end. I use to have 4.30's in the rear and now have 3.73's .

While you're not wrong, it will limit top-end, I think these two stock cars will run out of power way before they run out of gear ratio. I could be wrong, but I'm not seeing a stock v6 auto topping out that 4th gear.

a 4:10 fiero might top out 4th gear, but it will still take holy crap ton's long to get there.

quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: As previously stated the six's are slow , I don't personally like srt4s because the typical srt4 owner thinks he is the king of the road. They have amazing potential though. There is one running around my town with over 700rwhp. Its still an srt4 though . cooguyfish- the weight doesn't play a large factor on the top end . The 4.10's will help alot but will limit the top end. I use to have 4.30's in the rear and now have 3.73's . EDIT: I loved the 4.30's though, car felt much quicker with them. Wish I still had them actually.

now your just being streotypical. have you not noticed most people in mustangs? even v6 stags? most of them think there king of the road, and the worldest hottest guy because they have a mustang, civic owners? same thing. they act like there honda is fast, doesnt matter what car group. there is always alot out of every group thinking there the shiznizz.

a srt-4 is still a srt-4 a mustang is still a mustang.
everyone likes there own cars.
I happen to love the srt-4.
I will have a 1999 mustang gt convert 110 thousand miles, with cobra rims, and a exhuast system I will trade for a srt-4 tho if anyone is interested. getting it mid novemember, because a friend is selling, and I can't beat the price.

Heres some perspective.. 4.9 auto Fiero with a 50 Shot of N20 (incorrectly jetted for fuel ie rich as a pig) Vs a stock auto 92 Stang... This was bracket with teh stang having a slower .3 dialin. I still beat him thru the 1/4
http://www.ghettosled.com/files/Videos/Fiero%20Race%20Videos/twilightblue92vslinenoise.mpg

If it's a auto powered v6 mustang, Then the fiero will wipe it's butt with it, My brother had one of those 6cyl auto mustangs, That thing was super slow.


The 6cyl auto powered mustang is nothing more then a economy car with a mustang badge stuck on it
If it's a 5 point slow then it will beat ya.

quote Originally posted by 84fierotrevor: now your just being streotypical. have you not noticed most people in mustangs? even v6 stags? most of them think there king of the road, and the worldest hottest guy because they have a mustang, civic owners? same thing. they act like there honda is fast, doesnt matter what car group. there is always alot out of every group thinking there the shiznizz. a srt-4 is still a srt-4 a mustang is still a mustang. everyone likes there own cars. I happen to love the srt-4. I will have a 1999 mustang gt convert 110 thousand miles, with cobra rims, and a exhuast system I will trade for a srt-4 tho if anyone is interested. getting it mid novemember, because a friend is selling, and I can't beat the price.

Are you crazy? If I was a stereotypical person I wouldn't own a mustang and a fiero. I have respect for all cars that are done right. If its riced out, it automatically loses respect. I have a friend with an SRT4 and he even admits that the vast majority of srt4 owners think they are the king of the road.


cooguy- You could be right about them running out of power before topping out, the fastest I've ever taken a v6 mustang auto up to was 120-130ish. My speedo doesn't register that high on the Fiero but I don't doubt it is capable of at least that.

Earl, a 96 wouldn't be the 5.slow, it'd be the 4.6 SOHC, non PI version, its a dog.

quote Originally posted by 86fieroEarl: If it's a auto powered v6 mustang, Then the fiero will wipe it's butt with it, My brother had one of those 6cyl auto mustangs, That thing was super slow. The 6cyl auto powered mustang is nothing more then a economy car with a mustang badge stuck on it If it's a 5 point slow then it will beat ya.

Correct. Mustangs with 6 cylinder engines have always been dogs. (Turbo's aside) The first one I drove was a a '65 with a 3 speed stick and a inline 6 cylinder. It was not fast either. I had a buddy with a '70 Boss, and he got his butt kicked regularly. Most Mustangs on the street are economy cars. Some are very hot, most are not. You should win.

Arn

Lets throw a curve ball
Does anyone want to race my 1.3 Liter ? haha
Every time I say that people look confused.

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quote Originally posted by NorthFloridaFiero: Lets throw a curve ball Does anyone want to race my 1.3 Liter ? haha Every time I say that people look confused.

Is it a rotary? Cause if so that's kind of misleading. The 13b is the equivalent of a 3.9L v6 or something close to that right?

quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: Is it a rotary? Cause if so that's kind of misleading. The 13b is the equivalent of a 3.9L v6 or something close to that right?

yeah i believe its displacement x # of rotors, some have 2, some have 3, and i've seen a JDM one with 4 (it was like 700ish hp iirc!)

quote Originally posted by 5.0Vert: Is it a rotary? Cause if so that's kind of misleading. The 13b is the equivalent of a 3.9L v6 or something close to that right?

Yes sir it is.

Thats debatable, its not the first time I've heard that. I like how its misleading tho.


Jermz: 4 rotors are insane. Theres only like 2 cars I've heard of with 4, the 787B and some FD. Overkill to the extreme. You can run a normal built 13b to make those kinds of numbers with 30+ psi. 3 rotors I've seen alot. Really neat.

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