Which can 0-60 quicker? Stock Fiero GT or a later model Grand AM GT?
All I'm sure of is that I wasn't the one seeing taillights.

quote Originally posted by KA: Which can 0-60 quicker? Stock Fiero GT or a later model Grand AM GT? All I'm sure of is that I wasn't the one seeing taillights.

So, which car were you in? Don't you already have your answer then?

If not, probably the Grand Am, if you're referring to 99 or newer ones.
I have an 88 Formula 5-speed and a 99 Grand Am SE V6. I've raced my Grand Am against LZeitgeist's bone stock 88 Formula 5-speed and it was VERY close. He had a very slight edge on me. The GT has more agressive gearing and 5 more HP, so it should be quicker.

But when you get them that closely matched, it can all depend on the tune and condition of each car.

Oh, for comparison, my Formula and LZ's Formula run virtually dead even - just as you would expect for two nearly identical cars. Although we haven't raced since his Automoda conversion.

[This message has been edited by Formula88 (edited 02-07-2005).]

how much does a grand am weigh?

Of course the Fiero! What I doubt is if the Grand AM was really trying. It wouldn't be the first time I was thrown a bone..

My 87GT is faster than my friend's 00 GT, but is not faster than another friends 03 GT. on this topic, my dad still thinks that my mom's 01 4-cyl SE is faster than my Fiero simple because it has a 4 speed auto compared to my 3 speed.

My 86 GT weighs in at 2800 pounds filled with gas and me!

In addition to my 88GT, I also have a 87 GT automatic. I also have a 2000 Grand Am GT which has the ram air V6 rated at 175 H.P. My Grand Am runs circles around the 87 in accelerating, braking, gas mileage, and comfort. The only drawback is the handling, this is were the 87 runs circles around the Grand Am.

quote Originally posted by LT188GT: ... The only drawback is the handling, this is were the 87 runs circles around the Grand Am.

Yeah, I have to agree completely there. My 97 Grand Am is really good, but I am scared to drive my mom's 01 in anything other than dry conditions... and even at that I don't dare push it as hard as I can my Grand Am or my Fiero.

I drive both a 2000 grand am SE V6 and an 87 fiero gt, and i would have to say that the grand am is much faster. I have to agree that the fiero handles much better, but with the proper tires and suspention, the grand am can handle really well compared to most other cars i've driven.

I drive an 03' Grand Am GT w/3400 auto. Compared to my 88" Fiero GT auto, the Grand Am feels quite a bit faster and definately seems to pull harder.

Of course the Grand Am is not going to handle like a Fiero can. But like Chris87fieroGT mentioned above, with some suspension mods (poly bushings, springs and struts) and some high performance wheels/tires the Grand Am would surprise a lot of people.

[This message has been edited by turbotoad (edited 02-07-2005).]

I wouldn't really say the Grand Am is faster. My most memorable race was against a modded '00 GT. My '87GT was stock at the time, (with 3:65 4 spd). The race began from a rolling start at about 30 km/h, and ended at around 160 km/h. He wasn't pulling on me, and I wasn't pulling on him. I was quite surprised to say the least...And I think he was too!

I forgot to add, this was a "Ram Air" model too, w/175 hp. It also had a CAI, a chip, higher end plugs and wires, etc, etc.

[This message has been edited by blazin' (edited 02-08-2005).]

there are also the 3800 Grand Ams. I expect they would stomp on a Fiero. But, every car is different, every driver different - take them to the strip and and see if YOUR Fiero beats HIS Grand Am.

I could be completly wrong, but what year Grand Am had the 3800??? I thought all they had was the 3400.

No Grand Am ever came with the 3800, to my knowledge. They did have a 3300 in the mid-90's which was a smaller and lower power version of the 3800.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: No Grand Am ever came with the 3800, to my knowledge. They did have a 3300 in the mid-90's which was a smaller and lower power version of the 3800.

Thats what I thought John. I had a 92 Grand Am that had the smaller engine and in fact that was the car that I traded for the 00 GT.

Well I tested my girlfriends '04 SE with an accelerometer and it did 0-60 in 11 seconds. This was from a stop and then just steping off the brake and flooring it. My dad's '86 SE does it in about 11 seconds as well, except with his car you have to double clutch it to shift into 2nd cuz of the shift or select cable.

a few guys I hang out in the GrandsOntario club do low 15's, hi 14's. Cars have cold air intake and custom exhaust, for stock set-up I think it was mid to hi 15's for them.

Lets keep in mind that not all Grands Ams were V6's. Some of the SE's were 2.2L 4cyl with 150lbs torque and 140H.P.

The ram air V6's had 3.4L, 205lbs torque and 175H.P.

quicker.. fiero
faster.. grandam

but thats a gross generalization

Just to point it out, but my girlfriends SE is the V6....I believe it's rated at 170 HP.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Do you know what chip it had? He took the Ram Air off to install a CAI? Please tell me it was at least routed outside the engine compartment.

I honestly have no idea what it had for a chip, and as far as the CAI, I don't know how it was set up either.. I just happened to meet up with him at a gas station a few nights later, and those are the things he said he had done to it. Actually, he told me that he saw me go by where he was parked and there was billowing smoke coming out the tailpipe, so he figured he should waste "a smoky old Fiero. " I asked him if he wanted to go again, but he said no.

I have a 99 Grand am SE1 with V6, and it got a consistant 7.8 0-60. BTW, they are all 4 speed automatics.

No engine mods, but I have added a lot of weight.
2 strut tower bars
larger front and rear sway bars
bigger rims
12" sub, 2 amps
and more.
I would guess a stock v6 would get a 7.7 0-60.

you can't do much to these engines, because the trannies are weak. Thats why I bought my Fiero!
The trannies are rated at about 215 tq, and the engines comes with 195 for the SE, 205 for the GT (if I remember correctly)
Unless you are very careful while racing, you will be replacing your transmission very soon.

They are very smooth to drive though, can be made to handle very well with the mods I have above.

quote Originally posted by Kohburn: quicker.. fiero faster.. grandam but thats a gross generalization

i dont know about that faster. most modern cars have a governer built into them. i know my 94 cutlass supreme (3100 4t60-e tranny) cuts out at 107. my moms old 96 gp (same combo) cut out at 108. now, they have the ability to GO faster, but are probably limited the same way that these 2 crs are. afterall, the 3400 motor is basically a 2100 with more volume. i'd be willign to bet GM put the cap on top speed to under 110.

Joel

In a race in the rain, I smoked a 3800 N/A Grand Prix off the line (traction!), but as soon as he got rolling, he kicked my ass. I suspect that the 3800 equipped Grand Am would do the same thing. Is the Ram Air 3400 Grand Am really that quick? I find it hard to believe that even with 175HP that it'd beat a Fiero GT in an all out race, cuz they're much heavier, but I wouldn't be too surprised either.

Guess the only way to make it fair is to get my TDC swap done so I can have 3.4L, too...

------------------
Chris

Blue 1987 GT Getrag 5 speed, 1" lowering springs, 225 50R16 rims and tires, Fiero Store 9 3/4" HD clutch (Soon to be 3.4L DOHC powered!)
Silver 1986 2m4 THM 125c automatic
Black 1985 2m4 SE Isuzu 5 speed (no paperwork)

quote Originally posted by Blue Shift: I suspect that the 3800 equipped Grand Am would do the same thing. Is the Ram Air 3400 Grand Am really that quick?

The never made a 3800 Grand Am, unless that was a typo.

I have beat a late model grand am in my 85 GT but it was close... I might have had him back to my doors but that was it. All said and done I think I cut a better light and had better traction. I have beaten grand prix gt too, with the same results.

------------------

85 GT 4 SPD
Number 53715 of 76371
Best 1/4 15.816 @ 84.72

Accel 8.8mm wires, Accel 300+ Ignition box, Blaster Coil, NGK UR5, K&N, Short Shifter, High flow cat, Monochrome Caracus red, KYB shocks/struts, ST lowering springs, Poly Dogbone.

fierohome.tripod.com