What kind of logic do you want to use to turn on the driving lights if not a switch? On with high beams?
What do you want to do with the amber parts?
Basically tap existing wires/relays so lamps are controlled off OEM Fiero Switches having same functions, only difference would be driving lights on whenever headlights are activated.
I just bought a set.. I haven't installed them yet although I looked at what's going to be involved.. First off, there are 2 sets of wires in the back.. One for the LED (turn signals) and another set for the fog lights.
I'm thinking to adapt/splice the LED into the original turn signal wires and bring another hot from the battery through the interior to a switch (supplied or you can get another toggle of some sort) and wire it to the fog lights. There's an in line fuse for the fogs only. My Fiero has a flasher relay under the dash so I believe that it'll work the LEDs.
Please correct me if I'm wrong before I go and install.
Originally posted by unboundmo: I'm thinking to adapt/splice the LED into the original turn signal wires and bring another hot from the battery through the interior to a switch (supplied or you can get another toggle of some sort) and wire it to the fog lights. There's an in line fuse for the fogs only. My Fiero has a flasher relay under the dash so I believe that it'll work the LEDs.
Please correct me if I'm wrong before I go and install.
that is how i did mine, i have not wired up the turn signals yet ran out of time before my NTFC Spring Fling event. i'm planning on tapping in to the turn signal wire as soon as i find out which one it is. anybody know?
i would like to wire the lights up so that when the headlights come on so do the driving lights, probably need a relay for that. my wiring skills are very week, if it's not plug and play then i'm stuck.
the brackets supplied are not conducive to mounting where the stock turn signals where. the brackets have to be mounted in either |__| or __ | | cause the depth of the lights will hit the back of the supplied bracket. i had to make an 'L' bracket (just bought 2" alum. angle stock) to mount the supplied bracket. i did not take any photos cause i'm an idiot, my little drawing below hope it makes sense. fiero=car, L bracket rotated 90 deg, |< = supplied bracket and light.
fiero___ car | |<
the L bracket also push the driving lights out a personal preference for me didn't want the light to be sunken too far back.
i will try to get pics if needed, probably will take the nose back off to wire up the turn signals and do some adjustments of the light pattern.
thanks...
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Mar 30th, 2010
California Kid Member
Posts: 9541 From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan Registered: Jul 2001
I would think tap into the hot for the high or low beams( one you want them to light up with) when that switch is hit. and do the same for the turn signals using the hot wire that went to the turn signals.
The only thing that may not work is the "blink" unless a bridge rectifer is made in before the leds.( huh they are leds right?)
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Posts: 9541 From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan Registered: Jul 2001
I would think tap into the hot for the high or low beams( one you want them to light up with) when that switch is hit. and do the same for the turn signals using the hot wire that went to the turn signals.
The only thing that may not work is the "blink" unless a bridge rectifer is made in before the leds.( huh they are leds right?)
I would think the same way, package consists of the following:
Features 5 amber LEDs which can be used for parking lights or turn signal lights (switchable). * Metal Housing * Clear Lens/White Beam * 55 Watt Halogen PL-H3 Lamp plus 5 Amber LEDs * Features a Pre-Assembled Wiring Harness w/ Relay * Illuminated Rocker Switch * 4½"-W x 3"-D x 2½"-H
Would have been nice if they provided a pdf wiring illustration, but I'm sure some instructions come in package. Only difference is that us "flush mount" headlamp guys would want to run driving lights full time with head lights, and there is that gray area where they say the park or turn signal lights (switchable)? Naturally at night you need both park and turn to be functioning (at least that's the way all cars come from the factory that way), as we are eliminating factory park/turn with this application.
would be nice if they made a 12v photo eye for when it gets dark
They do - GM uses them on some of their vehicles already (automatic turns the lights on during dusk/night times and off during the day).
edit >> opps mistaken, did some checking and they are 5v sensors, so you would need a voltage divider there - also came across this site that has prebuilt modules: http://www.kansaswindpower.net/dc_accessories.htm
As to the original question, no easy way to do it without adding extra stuff if I understand the info provided. To me the amber leds have only the one input, which means hooking them up as park lamps or turn signals if you want them to operate as both, you will have to add a 'module' (or a few relays) for each lamp to get them to work this way.
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California Kid Member
Posts: 9541 From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan Registered: Jul 2001
It would be possible to make the LEDs run at dual brightnesses, to completely replace the stock park/turn function.
I could figure a schematic...
Do you want the driving lamps on or off with the parking lights? (The LEDs would still glow orange)
I would like the new lamps to function same as factory regarding park/turn, would want driving lights on only when headlights are on (in both regular and bright mode).
Package should arrive in next day or so according to tracking number, then I can post pictures of harnesses/relay/backside of lamps and installation instructions. I'll send you a pm when I post them in this thread.
Thanks, Tom
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Tom Slick Member
Posts: 4342 From: Alvarado, TX Registered: May 2003
Originally posted by California Kid: Package should arrive in next day or so according to tracking number, then I can post pictures of harnesses/relay/backside of lamps and installation instructions.
i know it says there is a relay but it must be built into the light housing cause i did not see it.
i bought an extra set cause (1) i lost the instructions (called pilot but never got a call back) and (2) if a rock happen to jump up and crack the light i'd have a spare that is also why i have a wire mesh cover the opening.
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Originally posted by California Kid: Features 5 amber LEDs which can be used for parking lights or turn signal lights (switchable).
correct me if i'm wrong to get these LED lights to work as turn signals and parking lights i need to splice both Fiero's turn signal wire and parking light wire into a relay then to the LED.
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California Kid Member
Posts: 9541 From: Metro Detroit Area, Michigan Registered: Jul 2001
anybody got any farther in wiring up the LEDs to work as turn signals and parking lights?
can i use a bridge rectifier that they talk about in this thread: LED marker / turn signals... to get it to work.
thanks...
yes - BUT - I would have to look at the wiring diagram first, but you may have to splice into the side marker wiring to run the front lamps.
oh, and BTW - if you want to driving lamp on anytime the headlights are on, you would have to add a relay into the line that feeds the headlight motors. If you splice into either the low or high beam wire, the driving lamps will only be on when you are on that selection (if that makes sense). Regardless you should use a relay to power the driving lamps. If you want them on all the time, just feed the power to them from an IGN source (key on, lamps on).
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Apr 17th, 2010
Tom Slick Member
Posts: 4342 From: Alvarado, TX Registered: May 2003
Originally posted by Tom Slick: the brackets supplied are not conducive to mounting where the stock turn signals where. the brackets have to be mounted in either |__| or __ | | cause the depth of the lights will hit the back of the supplied bracket. i had to make an 'L' bracket (just bought 2" alum. angle stock) to mount the supplied bracket. i did not take any photos cause i'm an idiot, my little drawing below hope it makes sense. fiero=car, L bracket rotated 90 deg, |< = supplied bracket and light.
fiero___ car | |<
the L bracket also push the driving lights out a personal preference for me didn't want the light to be sunken too far back.
i will try to get pics if needed, probably will take the nose back off to wire up the turn signals and do some adjustments of the light pattern.
thanks...
i had to take the nose off so i could get to the turn signals sockets to wire up the LED signals. it's not a good pic but this is how i mounted my lights.
thanks...
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Tom Slick Member
Posts: 4342 From: Alvarado, TX Registered: May 2003
well my attempt to wire up the LEDs didn't turn out like i wanted. i wired them up like the instructions stated this gave me turn signals capability but not parking lamps. i tapped into the Fiero's parking wire and noticed that the LEDs still blink. the info on these lights says there is a build in relay, i assume to create the blinking function. if this true i don't think these LEDs will work in a dual function i hope someone can figure this out. the blinking function along with the Fiero's turn signals does not give a periodic blink.
well my attempt to wire up the LEDs didn't turn out like i wanted. i wired them up like the instructions stated this gave me turn signals capability but not parking lamps. i tapped into the Fiero's parking wire and noticed that the LEDs still blink. the info on these lights says there is a build in relay, i assume to create the blinking function. if this true i don't think these LEDs will work in a dual function i hope someone can figure this out. the blinking function along with the Fiero's turn signals does not give a periodic blink.
Tom... I separated my functions to 2 different units. I brought a separate hot from the battery through the fuse to a switch then to the light and a short ground from the front for the foglight. This should eliminate the relay requirement. My fog's LEDs I would want them to flash only when I turn the blinker on... ( you said that you got this to work for you using the original flasher? - what problem did it cause? I wasn't clear on that, the periodic thing.) My running light will be on another LED bulb that will not flash wired to the original switch for the parking light.
Some say that we need a electronic flasher that is compatible to the LED lights.... Did you finish wiring it up?
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Tom Slick Member
Posts: 4342 From: Alvarado, TX Registered: May 2003
Originally posted by unboundmo: ... ( you said that you got this to work for you using the original flasher? - what problem did it cause? I wasn't clear on that, the periodic thing.) My running light will be on another LED bulb that will not flash wired to the original switch for the parking light.
Some say that we need a electronic flasher that is compatible to the LED lights.... Did you finish wiring it up?
it's been a while let me see if i can remember what i was talking about the "periodic" thing... i think if you supply 12v to the LED portion of the driving light the amber LEDs will blink, now when wired to the Fiero's turn signal (which has the flasher do the blinking) the two are not in sync. so the blinking will be erratic not consistent. i hope that's a clear picture, that's how i'm running now.
Its in a bracket that I fabbed up... I welded the bracket that came with the fog to my fabbed one and it mounts to the stock location...
Does the flashing drive you crazy or is it tolerable? So it's maybe on and off fast sometimes then not so fast or just inconsistent.... not timed (blink.....blink.....blink.....blink etc) or ( blink..blink........blink....blink..blink..............blink .....blink and so on?) Thanks for the reply... Do you like them?
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Tom Slick Member
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Originally posted by unboundmo: ... or ( blink..blink........blink....blink..blink..............blink .....blink and so on?) Thanks for the reply... Do you like them?
it's the "or" situation, i'll live with it as long as i can pass inspection with it.
wow... those brackets look great. how far out will the stick out? i wish mine were more flush with the bumper. did you compensate where it mounts to the frame cause it's not perfectly flat and that your lights may look crooked in the bumper.
thanks...
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It sits about 1 1/2" in from the front of the bumper on the top portion of the hole/rectangle.. The tabs are roughly 2 1/2" and 3" on the other side... It kind of sits like yours.... but maybe a little towards the front more.. I noticed when I made them in measuring, I found that the frame mount is a 1/2" off. So I turned around and did it to the bracket tabs too.. Thanks for pointing it out though.
I wonder how to get away with the non symmetrical blink. I'll try to contact the company tomorrow to find out the deal.
This is an older picture for fitting tryouts... The tabs are tucked a little more so the sides fit better. The bracket above without the lights in it is the final... I've painted them a satin high heat black now.
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tox1cchicken Member
Posts: 267 From: Canfield, OH Registered: Oct 2010
I would love to add fog lights or brighter beams to mine, since most of my driving need sort of require it. I have an 84' does anyone know the best options I have?
I am running HIDs for my headlights which will help....a lot.. I went with the 3000k yellowish tone to feel like a lemans racer and have the new white light fogs to be even brighter.. My headlights are Hella 90mm bulbs with a custom housing that I did for the lower pro look... Others have done different options for more light. This Pennocks site shows them all. This picture below is not with the HIDs yet... BUT soon!
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tox1cchicken Member
Posts: 267 From: Canfield, OH Registered: Oct 2010
that looks sweet. now for someone like me who still has 99% stock/original,(what I really mean is 20+ year old broken damaged parts that need replaced) and wouldn't know how to mod, what can I do to get started?
There's an aftermarket housing that is the same size as the original bulb on the market that some of my club members did. It's the same size as the original and no cutting involved. Maybe a little trimming to the brackets circle portion. It allows you to use the new bulb insert styles H4 or something rather than the original Plug in the back of the housing of the original style bulb.. Hope that makes sense. Basically a bulb housing to where instead of a sealled bulb to a more modern style enclosure where you use the H4 or H9 inserted bulbs.. There, that's better. And its the same size... Look into the big manufactures like sylvania. I'm not sure the make but it's out there
Tom.. I received this back fro the company we bought the lights from if you want to investigate. I'm going to call tomorrow during lunch break to see what they say...
Below is the reply... --------------------------------- Hi Derek,
We suggest contacting the mfr directly with this question. You can reach them via phone at 800-237-7560, tech support is extension 157.
Sincerely, Customer Support TruckCustomizers.com
Ticket History =================== (Client) Posted On: 14 Feb 2011 12:50 AM
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I purchased awhile back - Pilot Specialty Series Driving Lights w/ Built-In Parking/Signal Light - PL-1095A.. I've wired the fog with it's own from the battery through the provided fuse to the switch then to the fog. The ground is not more than a foot away. What does it mean where the LED is switchable? Is there a switch inside the housing? I will be utilizing my stock electronic flasher with my turn signal lever with these for the LEDs. They will only be on when I need the blinker. I have another means for the running light -.. Another person with the same car, 86-88 Fiero, says that it flash in a non symmetrical way.. blinks fast a couple times then 1 blink or two, if it chooses to do so. Is there some switch or flasher built in to your unit that would cause this? Is there something that we are missing? How do we fix it? Thanks for the reply...
So I talked to the manufactures and he said that due to utilizing the LEDs as a turn signal and a running light that it will cause the non symmetrical flashing due to the resistance... But we knew that our flasher would have problems searching for the ohm resistance. He did however say that separating to 2 functions "may" solve the problem or to use a more heavy duty flasher compatible with both incandesent and LEDs. I called autozone to see if they carried such a thing but the packaging nor their computer doesn't state the information. Autozone says they have a "surpressor" that you wire inline on the positive to give the resemblance of an incandescent load...
I'd rather go with the heavy duty flashed myself... Anyone know what 2 prong model to buy that is compatible to our system?
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Tom Slick Member
Posts: 4342 From: Alvarado, TX Registered: May 2003
Originally posted by unboundmo: So I talked to the manufactures and he said that due to utilizing the LEDs as a turn signal and a running light that it will cause the non symmetrical flashing due to the resistance... But we knew that our flasher would have problems searching for the ohm resistance. He did however say that separating to 2 functions "may" solve the problem or to use a more heavy duty flasher compatible with both incandesent and LEDs. I called autozone to see if they carried such a thing but the packaging nor their computer doesn't state the information. Autozone says they have a "surpressor" that you wire inline on the positive to give the resemblance of an incandescent load...
I'd rather go with the heavy duty flashed myself... Anyone know what 2 prong model to buy that is compatible to our system?
good information... now on the lookout for HD Flasher.
So on my way home, I stopped by Autozone to check things out... I found the load equalizers that he was talking about but they looked dinosaur-ish on what they looked like and hook-up.. Basically a huge 3" white rectangle tube with ires coming out of it. I did however find an electronic flasher that said heavy duty and variable load. Part # FL32 by Blazer. I took it to the counter an asked the sales dude.. He actually said he had the same problem with his older caddy when he turned the backs to LED and he went with this model and wahla... It's 9 bucks and a 2 prong to just plug it in. The guy even described the same scenario that you were having Tom... I haven't gotten that far as to hooking it up though. I haven't finished the wiring but you have if you want to try it out and let us know... With school and work I'll probably closer in a couple weeks. I will install the flasher first though "stock" and see if I have any problems.
ok, i picked up the flasher from AZ but before that i have to make a correction on erratic blinking issue. i didn't notice this before but only one light was giving me a problem, the other blink on and off just fine but it wasn't always the same one. i have a video that i shot on my phone but don't have a way to post it. maybe i have a wiring problem instead. anyway, i did notice a couple of things that this new flasher did. 1. it made the blinkers flash faster instead of blink..blink..blink, it was like blink.blink.blink. 2. it made them work like how i would expected them to work. also have a video with the new flasher, again no way to post.
what does this flasher do what the other one didn't? what harm can come from running this new flasher?
and have the new white light fogs to be even brighter.. My headlights are Hella 90mm bulbs with a custom housing that I did for the lower pro look... Others have done different options for more light. This Pennocks site shows them all. This picture below is not with the HIDs yet... BUT soon!
