I know I'll probably get flaimed for this one but I just wanted to know if anyone ever atempted to put like an SRT-4 engine in a fiero. They can make like 500hp with some mods. I figure people use VW engines in fieros why not a dodge.

Thanks,

Alex.

i cant same for certain but i am pretty sure no one had done that.(dont tell anybody but im putting a vq35de(350z motor) in mine, waiting on the motor to be done as i speek, guy said should be read to be shipped mid-march.)

Welcome to the Addiction!!!!! I am not going to flame you for your idea. I don't think anyone has attempted that engine swap yet. It would be definately different and I would imagine a lot of work and money. I think it would make an interesting build thread if you decided to do it, just as long any Fieros don't get hurt. There are some people that have put Ford and VW and BMW engines in Fieros.

It's just that I have an extensive background in these engines and have all the parts I need for the swap. Only thing I need to figure out now is if this swap is feasible or should I go for something more standart. By the way I have a Super 60 Omni GLH that makes close to 300hp/300tq. Just looking to move away from the FWD cars and want to get into a mid engine setup.

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If you have the stuff and know how, I would say go for it. It would be interesting. I just think there is going to be some fabrication involved, more than usual, but nothing you probably couldn't handle. If you do put one in a Fiero, be sure to post a build thread.

You're looking at more than "some mods" to double the "farts" HP to 500.

If you want to do it to be diffrent, then by all means go for it (and get the peaky power of a 4 banger and dump the clutch from 6 grand just to get moving)t. If you want 500 HP, its far more doable and cheaper with any of the multitude of normal Fiero engine swaps. Not easy, but doable.

Ehh, that came out a little more jaded than I intended, but anyway....

way cool about the omni GLH ..i have always thought they make a kickass sleeper..if forced induction is your game why not a 3.8sc motor?? i have one in my 86se and its a friggin blast to drive...plus with a few mods they hit that 300hp mark fairly easy...alot less fabbing of odds n ends....im not quiet sure how a dodge engine is going to fit and mate up in a fiero...but i guess like they say anything IS possible...it all just costs money...if your ever down my way(Ponoka) give me a heads up and stop by...tim

I understand the Mopar thinking and I use a couple of Mopar parts on my car.

But, the SRT engine is another story IMHO. You'll have some hard core fabbing to do to make it work, and, I don't think it will do any better than a turbo'd Ecotec. The Ecotec is easier to swap in and they will put out some extreme hp figures when turbo'd. Just a thought

Arn

Damn, have I started a new trend for weird swaps?
I'm the guy with the VW engine in the back of a Fiero....hopefully to be completed in a few months. Anyway, welcome to the forum.
Dave

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Really? You think you started something? Come on now Mr. Ego, people have been doing strange stuff to the Fiero from the beginning.

quote Originally posted by sYkboy: Really? You think you started something? Come on now Mr. Ego, people have been doing strange stuff to the Fiero from the beginning.

oh, come on Jay I was kidding...no ego here....but at least people are starting to do something different to their cars.

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If you want a turbocharged 4-cylinder look into the Ecotec. All aluminum and the 2.0 and 2.4 engines come with forged rods and crank as stock equipment. The SRT4 engine has powdered metal rds and a cast steel crank.

The Ecotec powers the fastest 4-cylinder dragster as well and beats out big block V8s.

Dont mean to spoil your ambition, but the SRT4 is uncharted territory and, in my opinion, the Ecotec is a superior engine and has the advantage of having backwards compatibility with our cars.

Wow, posting my name? That shows you care! Now your stroking MY ego! (j/k)

Seriously though, I understand wanting to do something different. We do like fieros and that seems odd to most. I guess I just don't get some of the masochism we all seem to enjoy. I guess, ultimately that is why I chose the 3800S/C though. More power to all!

quote Originally posted by sYkboy: Wow, posting my name? That shows you care! Now your stroking MY ego! (j/k) Seriously though, I understand wanting to do something different. We do like fieros and that seems odd to most. I guess I just don't get some of the masochism we all seem to enjoy. I guess, ultimately that is why I chose the 3800S/C though. More power to all!

lol.
I was going to put a 3800 in my Fiero at first, but I don't have enough knowledge of the GM engines to feel comfortable doing that. I've been a Fiero nut since I was 18 and the cars were somewhat newish still. A lot of people just don't understand the whole Fiero thing...you really have to own one to understand....and then soon, you'll own two or three.
Dave

After custom axles (money or weeks of headaches), and a mostly custom subframe, you could do it, but it would not be any easier taking any other motor and tossing a turbo on it. Seeing how turbo mopar donor's are in the $2000 range, you can finance a $700 3800 and transmission and have significantly more power, and a more efficient RPM and a stronger trans.

There are more than a few swaps out there that will fall into place without any frame cutting, or overly custom axle setups. I run 12's with just a stock 3800/trans combo in my 88 coupe, and the sky is the limit from there on a stock bottom end.

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quote Originally posted by fatmerk: i cant same for certain but i am pretty sure no one had done that.(dont tell anybody but im putting a vq35de(350z motor) in mine, waiting on the motor to be done as i speek, guy said should be read to be shipped mid-march.)

That would be one of my dream swaps. Are you using the engine from a 350z, or from an Altima - paired with an Altima 5spd manual transaxle?
Please post tons of pictures in a built thread when you do the swap. The Vq-35 sound is just to die for. (being on Ward's 10 best engines since inception of the engine, can't be a bad thing either.. )

OK my goal is to have a 250hp/250tq, 13 second daily summer driver that doesent require a lot of maintenance. It has to be manual transmission. The trannys seem to be the weakest link in the fiero. How to overcome that? The turbo dodge has the 568 tanny which is vertually undisturctable. I mean I could do 5,000 RPM drops off the line all day long an it would not even budge. Seems like the 3800SC guys have to pamper their 5 speeds otherwise BOOM!!! Any sugestions (no auto replies pelase).

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I think it would be a great swap. I've seen them in the back of a Porsche Speedster Replica and man that sucker flew like a bat out of hell

quote Originally posted by fieroall: OK my goal is to have a 250hp/250tq, 13 second daily summer driver that doesent require a lot of maintenance. It has to be manual transmission. The trannys seem to be the weakest link in the fiero. How to overcome that? The turbo dodge has the 568 tanny which is vertually undisturctable. I mean I could do 5,000 RPM drops off the line all day long an it would not even budge. Seems like the 3800SC guys have to pamper their 5 speeds otherwise BOOM!!! Any sugestions (no auto replies pelase).

Drop in a bone stock 3.8SC and you will be well over the HP\TQ and into high 12's (low 13's worst case). Not to mention you wont have to dump the clutch from redline to get moving. I ran a WRX at the track, took him by a good bit, talked to him in the pits, his excuse was "well I only launched at 6000, I usually launch at 7 grand.... I simply replied "ohhh... I launch at idle..."

Tranny is more of a matter of condition than anything else. Good Fiero trannys stand up behind V8's all day long, where as a weak one with sloppy bearings can blow apart with little more than a 2.8L Get yourself a FWD getrag (has stronger diff than Fiero) and replace the output and input shaft bearings, shim to perfection, and keep the fluid clean and you should have a near bullet proof tranny. If you want something you never have to worry about, use the 3.8SC's 4t65e-hd will take the beating all day long and just smile, well proven by the GP crowd.

quote Originally posted by fieroall: OK my goal is to have a 250hp/250tq, 13 second daily summer driver that doesent require a lot of maintenance. It has to be manual transmission. The trannys seem to be the weakest link in the fiero. How to overcome that? The turbo dodge has the 568 tanny which is vertually undisturctable. I mean I could do 5,000 RPM drops off the line all day long an it would not even budge. Seems like the 3800SC guys have to pamper their 5 speeds otherwise BOOM!!! Any sugestions (no auto replies pelase).

The easy solution would be to use the Dodge trans. The shift linkage and clutch release would need to be custom made, and I doubt the axles would be easy (read: DIY) but then you have a trans you know will handle the power. I'm not sure about smog regs in Canada, but if they're very strict you may not be able to get it to pass if you use a transmission that the donor car was never available with, thus nixing the idea of a Fiero trans.

Also bearing in mind the turbo Dodge motors were all FWD motors (AFAIK) and just putting it in the back of the car will increase traction given a car of the same weight and tire size, simply because of weight transfer during launch. So a trans that worked fine as a FWD may blow itself to pieces if treated the same way in the back of the car.

EDIT to add:

Why is it that whenever someone is talking about stick shift transmissions, and specifically says they don't want an automatic, one of the first people to respond tells them "just stick an auto in it and don't worry about it"?

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quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: Drop in a bone stock 3.8SC and you will be well over the HP\TQ and into high 12's (low 13's worst case). Not to mention you wont have to dump the clutch from redline to get moving. I ran a WRX at the track, took him by a good bit, talked to him in the pits, his excuse was "well I only launched at 6000, I usually launch at 7 grand.... I simply replied "ohhh... I launch at idle..."

lol, what did he have to say about that?

quote Originally posted by Austrian Import: That would be one of my dream swaps. Are you using the engine from a 350z, or from an Altima - paired with an Altima 5spd manual transaxle? Please post tons of pictures in a built thread when you do the swap. The Vq-35 sound is just to die for. (being on Ward's 10 best engines since inception of the engine, can't be a bad thing either.. )

no im using a 4t60e that i have from my abandoned 3.4dohc swap. this thing going to be driven in city traffic so im going with an auto. mind you its going to be toggle switch shifted though. i decided against the 3.4dohc for aftermarket parts and it being a heavy pig. the engine is sort of a mutt it has a maxima block but 350z everything else. the guy whos building it races in the motreal grand prix for nissan quebec or something ina 240sx with a vq35. i have a megasquirt setup off of a vq35. and the best part is im getting a practially new 350z engine and it cost me only 1100 well and what shipping is going to be.

quote Originally posted by FieroJimmy: Why is it that whenever someone is talking about stick shift transmissions, and specifically says they don't want an automatic, one of the first people to respond tells them "just stick an auto in it and don't worry about it"?

Im just saying, the only transmissions out there that can reliably handle the power without questions are autos, specifically the 65hd and the like. At least in the transverse layout, there are better sticks for longitudinal engines.

quote lol, what did he have to say about that?

Not much, I dont recall off hand, but it wasnt anything interesting, or he might not have said anything. I would have remembered if it was relivant or funny. That was about the end of the conversation anyway.

How bout the 4 speed Muncie, would it be able to handle a 3800SC as a daily driver?

quote Not much, I dont recall off hand, but it wasnt anything interesting, or he might not have said anything. I would have remembered if it was relivant or funny. That was about the end of the conversation anyway.

Darn, that zinger should have been worth a pissed off look from him.

that is the tranny i am running with my set up..the 365 4 spd...works great...just ask the middleaged guy in the 454 ss chevelle i wasted from a stoplight last summer in edmonton...hehe.. i drive my car hard and so far so good....tim ps if your looking for a 3.8sc motor i have one sitting in my garage...

Feh... I thought you were talking about REAL turbo Dodges... like the 2.2's.

The Chrysler TC by Maserati used a Chrysler 2.2 with a Maserati designed 16V cylinder head and Getrag 284 with the Chrysler bellhousing pattern. They're rare as hen's teeth, of course, but if I were interested in building a Maserati kit on a Fiero, that's the powertrain I'd use...

Looks around for Leafy.....

I know where two Chrysler TC's are and they are for sale. I got to drive one and it ran good, I wouldn't give them the $12,500 they were asking for it though. The Charger Daytona's are fast with their 2.2 Liter Turbo, I am just not a fan of the body style. Are you talking about using the 2.4 Liter Turbo out of a 2005 Neon SRT-4, if you not I would consider it. I had a girlfriend that had a SRT-4 with the Five speed, and that thing was crazy fast. It would be pretty close to power that you are looking for, it has 223HP and 250 lb-ft of torque at the wheels. Here is an article about it.

http://www.allpar.com/neon/neon-srt-4.html

Here is one on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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OK I'll tell you a bit more about what I have planned. I have a 2.5l Block with a good flowing head and a Twin Turbo Setup!!! Yup you heard that right Twin Turbos. That I want to put into a Fiero. I also have a good strong 5 speed tranny that should handle the 300+ Hp with ease. It also has a Quife in it. Now I'm practicly an expert in the 2.2 2.5 turbo dodge engines. Have rebuild many and know them inside out. I have good fab skills and a garage with all the equipment. I also read somewhere that the Dodge axes have can be adopted to the GM ones with ease. Also the tranny is cable shifted and there's many lengths available as the engines came in everything from Omnis to Caravans.

I'm just wandering what you guys think will be my bigest complications if I decide to go that route? Is this worth trying? Should I just get a 3800SC and not waste my time?

From what I read all worthwile swaps require many mods to fit in and at the end you have to watch the manual tranny so it doesent split in 2. The Turbo Dodge would be a bulletproof setup, unfortunately noone has ever done it so I'd have to be a pioneer here.

All constructive coments are welcomed.

Its a four cylinder ao I don't think you will be cutting into the Fiero spaceframe. One thing that could be a problem is the turbos, depending where they are you might have to redo the exhaust setup. I think the swap would be worth your time. I think most of your fabricating is going to go in making brackets to mount it to the cradle.

quote Originally posted by craigsfiero2007: I think most of your fabricating is going to go in making brackets to mount it to the cradle.

The intake and the exhaust manifolds face the back of the car (the trunk) which is cool cause if I need more space I could just cut it (only if nessessary). I think it'll make for an interesting project. If it doesent work I will put in an ecotec setup.

Thanks guys.

Alex.

I would like to see it done in a Fiero, by the sounds of it, that engine could make the Fiero go right along. Do you have any pictures of the engine, I would like to see the beast. If you do the swap be sure to make a build thread.

Not to be the ever present nagging voice... but...

Why in the world would you use twin turbos on a 4 cyl? Two turbo setups are usually used for mid to large displacement motors, either in series, a small one for fast spool and low end and a bigger one to feed high RPMs, or in parallel, twin smaller turbos that spool fast, but feed double the air. This in fact is outdated, as with newer technology, and enough cash, you can get single turbo setups that out perform many twins and are far more efficient. At any rate, on a 2.5L, you could almost feed it with a T2, if you wernt going for too much power, but even twin T2s would be over kill, not to mention horribly inefficient.

Unless you just want to be able to say you have twin turbos...

As far at the 2.5L swap, if you can truely make the axles that easliy, it should be a cinch. Just fab up some mounts from scratch, plumb the engine, and tap your guage feeds. I would think the hardest part would be either the wiring or the exhaust, depending where your experience \ specialty lies.

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quote Originally posted by Will: Feh... I thought you were talking about REAL turbo Dodges... like the 2.2's. The Chrysler TC by Maserati used a Chrysler 2.2 with a Maserati designed 16V cylinder head and Getrag 284 with the Chrysler bellhousing pattern. They're rare as hen's teeth, of course, but if I were interested in building a Maserati kit on a Fiero, that's the powertrain I'd use...

Ha!

[rant] I had one of those Chrysler 2.2 turbo's in an '84 Daytona. That lemon is the reason I'll never own another Chrysler product: Never went more than 4 months without an engine sensor packing it in. Blew out several CV joints because the engine kept shifting in the cradle (on a whopping 145 hp). It burned to the ground about 6 months after I sold it off (another cursed vehicle off the road, Yay!).[/rant]

I hope the new Chrysler turbo's are more reliable....

Cheers

quote Originally posted by TiredGXP: Ha! [rant]

Huh, I had an 87 Daytona 2.5 N/A was great. The last owner was an idiot, and through his half ass repairs, the oil pickup got cloged, and ran the engine dry, wiped out the bearings. I rebuilt it, and other than that I didnt have a lick of trouble with the engine. Had the headlight motor controller go out, and I think that was about it with the car. Was a great car till someone ran me off the road and into a guard rail. I sold the car for parts, and from what I hear the next owner ran it without oil for quite a while before the mains gave out. I dont know what it is with people

I'm glad you had more enjoyment with your car than I did. The constant repairs of electronic components and CV joints was amajor PITA. Drove the car for 8 years and sold it when we bought the **gasp** minivan in 1992. We still have the Lumina APV after 16 years and 380,000 km.

Cheers

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: Not to be the ever present nagging voice... but... Why in the world would you use twin turbos on a 4 cyl?

Actually aparently they work really good for a low cost budget build. Sure they might not be as efficient but it sure is different. I have a Super 60 Omni so I wanted to go a different way. Here's a few links of TD's with TT setups.
http://www.turbodiy.com/Mop...89_shadow_detail.htm
http://www.turbododge.com/f...some-progress-2.html

I don't have to go this route but it shure would be different.

i had an 87 2.2L turbo new yorker that i got for $900. i drove it for 35k miles and had it for about 3 years. i finally cashed out this winter when the brake lines went while i was contemplating fixing my head gasket. i loved the car.

i think this is an interesting swap. i hope it works out for you.

also.. if you want manual go manual and dont let those automatic guys sway you differently. automatic sports car is like a chick with a dick IMO. (unless its a drag car)

quote Originally posted by fieroall: How bout the 4 speed Muncie, would it be able to handle a 3800SC as a daily driver?

The 3.65 geared 4 speed Muncie is the one I have, and it is a strong tranny, but, I don't think you'd want to push much more than 275 hp through it for reliability reasons. (somebody may have gotten more out of it). The negative I've found is that the synchros seem to not like 6,000 rpm going from 1st to 2nd. (It may be that my synchoes are worn, so you might want to hear from others who run v8"s through it.) In terms of the gear ratio and basic guts, I think the 3800sc would be a good match.

Arn