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3800 swap harnesses (Page 7/20)

darkhorizon

NOV 30, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by Misery:
Scott, thanks for hijacking a very professional and informative thread and showing the folks here that you were unable to retain the the manners and respect that I am sure your parents taught you as child..

It is best to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are mentally challenged than to open it and remove all doubt..

who are you now? hmm? A "loyde nut swinger"?

I didnt hijack anything, this is a PUBLIC FORUM, if you dont think my post was accurate, you can not read it or rebuttal it.

RideZiLightning

NOV 30, 01:04 AM

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5 posts and you are already calling people out?

Sheesh

TXGOOD

NOV 30, 08:09 AM

Once again, the post above shows you have people who would rather do things 1/2 **ssed than doing it right the first time.
I think Fieroflyer is doing the 3800 swap crowd a good service even providing the info for redoing a wiring harness. He makes them and sells them and at a good price, but to show people how he does it when he could just say "pay me and I will do it" I think is helpful.
I have read and seen in the past where some of these swaps create problems for the person doing them and I think some of it come down to trying to do it on a limited budget.
Just as Loyde states on his site, "the wiring harness is one of the make or break" parts of the swap.
If you are going to do a swap why not go through as much as you can including wiring, engine internals, brackets for the alternator, etc.
When it comes down to it, the 3800SC should be just as dependable sitting in a Fiero as it is sitting in a Grand Prix or whatever car ir came from.
I am not good with wiring and I can`t weld, so when it comes time to do my swap I will depend on the people who have a proven product to make my swap as dependable as possible.
Just my .02

RideZiLightning

NOV 30, 11:39 AM

There wasn't any talk of half-a$$edness, just that it doesn't have to be pretty to work properly.

This is the harness from the 3.8sc car skitime first rode in:

That looks like he did what I did my first time. Leave it how it is and just modify some stuff to get it to work. Nothing pretty or fancy

Now here is skitimes:

See what I'm getting at?

But, I think we all agree that it is worth the extra effort to make it look nice. IF that matters to you, because it doesn't to some. Just look at Scott's whole car and you'll know what I'm talking about lol

Thanks Dan for the write-up

TXGOOD

NOV 30, 11:52 AM

My post wasn`t really directed at you, and I don`t mean a showcar harness, I just feel that if everything you put into a car is not checked out ie. harnesses, engine internals, bracket integrity etc
that you are asking for trouble and I for one would rather do it once.

darkhorizon

NOV 30, 12:21 PM

Wiring is not taboo, it is seriously 30 or less connections you have to make, and MORE THAN half of them are just making pink wires go to switched 12 volts. A harness is NOT make or break, its make or your to stupid to connect a few wires using, OMG like tools. Someone trying to SELL harnesses might suggest they are "make or break" but it really isnt, he is just trying to trick people into paying $1000 for a few hours of wrapping electrical tape around some wires after connecting them to very well documented places (3.4dohc and my thread has been around for more than a year, see comment).

Ryan has had full pinout lists on his gmtuners.com site for MANY years now, and has also been an authority on wiring advice for much longer than I have.

darkhorizon

NOV 30, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by TXGOOD:

My post wasn`t really directed at you, and I don`t mean a showcar harness, I just feel that if everything you put into a car is not checked out ie. harnesses, engine internals, bracket integrity etc
that you are asking for trouble and I for one would rather do it once.

HARNESS INTEGRITY? How is a stock GM harness with NO SPLICES routed in the stock locations going to fail more than a harness that has more splices and routing wires in "experimental" locations? i said before that I have helped more people with failed vendor harnesses than custom made ones, and I know more people with custom "hacked" harnesses.

TXGOOD

NOV 30, 12:34 PM

I would not pay 1000.00 for a wiring harness but I would pay 400.00 for one.
I don`t know Darkhorizon who has recently pissed in your Cheerios and I thought in the
past that you had a lot of good ideas etc. but recently I have seen a couple of threads where you
posted sarcastically where you don`t see why anyone would do something a certain way when in your opinion it`s not necessary.
I might have a difference of opinion on different things and I might put my two cents in, but I certainly don`t make it sound like if someone else decides to follow the threads advice that he is just wasting his time.

Formula88

NOV 30, 12:51 PM

Once again darkhorizon shows that everyone must do things his way or he will whine and complain about how stupid they are.

Dan provides a quality service to the people who want to swap a 3800SC into their car. Others such as Purple Reign offer engine mounts. You don't have to agree with how they do it. If you want to do it yourself, more power to you, but stop acting like your way is the only correct way.

You complain about Archie
You complain about Lloyd
You complain about Dan

Dude - just start your own forum where everything is done your own way and STFU here. I, for one, enjoy these technical posts and appreciate the extra time and effort it takes to post them and don't appreciate people like you sending it to the Trash Can.

If you want to show people how you think it should be done - post your own build threads and dazzle us with your craftsmanship.

oldfiero

NOV 30, 12:56 PM

Dan, can you give us more info on the Speedo buffer and where you placed it in the wireharness? I just starting my swap and found your thread very informative. Tkx Tom

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