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| How to make rear coil-overs using factory struts, with pics. (Page 46/49) |
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redraif
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OCT 27, 07:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by redraif:
I remember in searching that some had a bit of sleeve rubbing, but it was over a LONG period of time.
I wonder if the max negative camber is causing the spring to bow more extreme, and there by rubbing? Excuse me if you already said it, but is it rubbing inside (body side) or outside / front or back worse. Are both sides rubbing equally and in the same place?
I have not had my car out on the road yet... front end lowering & poly build currently... so I have yet to see if mine has any issues. Before I drive it I'm planning to do a home alignment to at least make the car safe to get to an alignment shop. That and to give me some time to allow the springs to settle in before I get it aligned. i would ahve to do it twice.
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Any updates on your car nitroheadz28?
I finally got the front poly done on mine and the frt 1.5 coil removal completed.
The car looks much better all leveled out! I dropped the rear a few more turns and I'm near the 3 finger mark... in the front I'm at about 2.5 fingers...
Scarey thing is even with the alignment like this > < ... the darn car felt better then it ever did, nice and tight!... but I did straighten out the rear toe before I took it on its 20 mile trip.
So that rear floaty feeling I have been plagued with since I got the car was a combo of: blown motor & tranny mounts, dead suspension bushings, and old soft springs. The poly, new solid rubber motor and tranny mounts, 300lb rear & 1.5 coils cut on the front WS6 (stiffest stock) made all the difference! I was SOOO happy when I was driving my little indy again! Dang, I have missed this car! The 300lb spring rate in the rear felt great.
Im planning to check this weekend to see if I have any rubbing issues[This message has been edited by redraif (edited 10-27-2011).]
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nitroheadz28
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OCT 27, 09:17 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by redraif:
I remember in searching that some had a bit of sleeve rubbing, but it was over a LONG period of time.
I wonder if the max negative camber is causing the spring to bow more extreme, and there by rubbing? Excuse me if you already said it, but is it rubbing inside (body side) or outside / front or back worse. Are both sides rubbing equally and in the same place?
I have not had my car out on the road yet... front end lowering & poly build currently... so I have yet to see if mine has any issues. Before I drive it I'm planning to do a home alignment to at least make the car safe to get to an alignment shop. That and to give me some time to allow the springs to settle in before I get it aligned. i would ahve to do it twice.
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Ah whoops I must have completely missed this post. Its rubbing on the outside (facing the wheel well) in about a 30-40mm long patch. Correct both sides have the same exact wear.
I have since gotten 2 alignments, the springs still rub. Will be getting a 3rd alignment tomorrow cause my mechanic didn't understand how to adjust Rodney's ball joints to get the correct camber setting in the front. I'll just leave the springs as is, I'm running 2 5/8" AFCO springs- they are slightly larger than the 2.5" springs most here use so that is probably my issue. I plan on swapping them out when I do my engine swap for a 10" long set. Stupid poly is squeaking in the front a arm- never been exposed to water/ I greased the hell out of em/ only had 200 miles on the conversion  . I'll also switch that out for rubber when I do my engine swap, the squeak is annoying as hell!
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redraif
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OCT 28, 12:27 AM
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I checked the car... I have no wear on my sleeves so far. Wonder if it does have to do with the different diameter springs.
You could always make your poly greasable... I did that with all of mine. Here's hoping it keeps the squeeks away[This message has been edited by redraif (edited 10-28-2011).]
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nitroheadz28
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OCT 28, 01:47 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by redraif:
I checked the car... I have no wear on my sleeves so far. Wonder if it does have to do with the different diameter springs.
You could always make your poly greasable... I did that with all of mine. Here's hoping it keeps the squeeks away
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I know but I was short on time, I really needed the asap car as its my DD. I actually don't want poly after doing more research on it a little while ago. The bushings become torn and destroyed after a few years anyway (depending on usage), I'd rather have rubber for the peace of mind. The sad thing is that I had a complete set of Moog rubber bushings/ sleeves that I sold
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Jncomutt
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OCT 28, 12:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by nitroheadz28:
Its rubbing on the outside (facing the wheel well) in about a 30-40mm long patch. Correct both sides have the same exact wear.
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I didn't review your install, but have you verified that each item is constrained concentrically? Do you have any sort of locating feature for the spring under the top 'hat' that prevents the spring from walking around? Do you have either a tight fit or the centering O-Rings,etc installed between the strut and sleeve? The spring is either moving around up top or the threaded sleeve is "rocking" back and forth on the base. Its possible the spring is bowing, but I would think these other two situations would be more common.
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redraif
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OCT 28, 02:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jncomutt:
I didn't review your install, but have you verified that each item is constrained concentrically? Do you have any sort of locating feature for the spring under the top 'hat' that prevents the spring from walking around? Do you have either a tight fit or the centering O-Rings,etc installed between the strut and sleeve? The spring is either moving around up top or the threaded sleeve is "rocking" back and forth on the base. Its possible the spring is bowing, but I would think these other two situations would be more common. |
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Hmmm... the sleeve wobbling... I did not think of that. that could do it! With my coleman sleeves they had a metal snap ring that was a SUPER tight fit and holds the sleeve PERFECTLY still. Nitroheadz28 did yours have the snap ring?
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nitroheadz28
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OCT 28, 04:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jncomutt:
I didn't review your install, but have you verified that each item is constrained concentrically? Do you have any sort of locating feature for the spring under the top 'hat' that prevents the spring from walking around? Do you have either a tight fit or the centering O-Rings,etc installed between the strut and sleeve? The spring is either moving around up top or the threaded sleeve is "rocking" back and forth on the base. Its possible the spring is bowing, but I would think these other two situations would be more common. |
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The sleeves arent moving, its siliconed in place lol. I bought everything minus the struts used and it didn't have the snap ring nor could I find one. I believe you asked me this already and I confirmed that the spring doesn't sit concentrically at the bottom. The top is fine, the spring "walks" on the sleeve adjuster ever so slightly, most likely because the adjuster was designed for a 2.5" ID spring.
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Shill
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MAR 11, 03:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by fierohoho:
That's it in a nutshell, buying new parts and using the old struts you'll have about $228.00 into this project.
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Am i missing something here?
WCF sells these for $220 and saves you the trouble of modding and tracking parts down. What would be the difference in these?
EDIT: found the difference. WCF sleeve is intended to sit on the original spring perch, and use a smaller spring.
I think I prefer Fierohoho's writeup over WCF[This message has been edited by Shill (edited 03-11-2012).]
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Shill
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MAR 11, 04:25 PM
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Okay, so what is the cone shaped item pictured here for?
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weloveour86se
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MAR 11, 06:13 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Shill:
Okay, so what is the cone shaped item pictured here for?
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It's a top hat. Toss it, find some ricer to sell it to, use it for a paper weight, throw it at unruley neighbors? Lol. really though I wanna say I read here somewhere that someone had big problems using those. Whodeanie sells just the top hats with the needed bushing.
typos...[This message has been edited by weloveour86se (edited 03-11-2012).]
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