3800 swap harnesses (Page 3/20)
RideZiLightning NOV 19, 07:12 PM
I was in no way saying that the way you do it is wrong or a waste of time

No doubt that your way does produce a better looking, more reliable harness. I'm sorry if that came off wrong
thismanyfieros NOV 19, 07:33 PM
aaahhh dan you are the wiring guru....as far as the other two twits go pound sand.....tim
darkhorizon NOV 19, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

First of all you really need to get a life, secondly I have no desire nor do I feel there is a need to prove any thing to you.
Nor do I feel that doing harnesses is worth the crap of dealing with people like you. You act like some high school punk trying to prove some thing, or you are some dumb high school punk with out enough brains to shut your own mouth.
This is it for me, I will now ignore this post as well as any others your big mouth gets involved with. Dan




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Originally posted by FIEROFLYER:

darkhorizon I have sat quiet for too long, for the longest time you were kissing up to me e-mailing me quite often asking for info and trying to get me to send my over flow to you. I had no problem with this although I did not appreciate seeing you trying to come off as some kind of 3800 Guru using other peoples info, because you are far from it. Your work from what I have seen is butcher work at best you take every short cut possible and brag about how fast you get things done. You are basically a parott that just repeats what ever you hear with no concern what so ever if the info is correct or not.
At this point I would reccomend you shut your mouth and stop your fingers from typing any more crap before you make any more of a fool of your self. Dan



Isnt dan just the nicest guy out there?

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thismanyfieros NOV 19, 11:24 PM
i have met dan in person..i like dan...he is the kind of guy who calls it like he see's it...not enough people like dan in this world if you ask me...i have called dan at all hours of the day with questions and he has always helped me out....i had my car done by dan (as have many others) does he do up threads and brag about it...err no...has he been doing this longer then most..errr yes...while you tend to post and post and post and the more i read your posts i kinda hafta agree with everything dan has said about you darkhorizon...plus just seeing how you and ridezlightening have expressed your opinions and thoughts about why dan does what he does it just confirms your place as a know it all twit....
myself i would want the guy doing my swap to go the extra mile and make DAMN SURE that all the wires in the harness are 100%...that my friend is called good service....if it takes longer so what....we get paid to do the job right the first time...other wise we wouldnt keep our jobs very long now would we???
hope you keep up the good work dan....tim
RideZiLightning NOV 19, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by thismanyfieros:

i have met dan in person..i like dan...he is the kind of guy who calls it like he see's it...not enough people like dan in this world if you ask me...i have called dan at all hours of the day with questions and he has always helped me out....i had my car done by dan (as have many others) does he do up threads and brag about it...err no...has he been doing this longer then most..errr yes...while you tend to post and post and post and the more i read your posts i kinda hafta agree with everything dan has said about you darkhorizon...plus just seeing how you and ridezlightening have expressed your opinions and thoughts about why dan does what he does it just confirms your place as a know it all twit....
myself i would want the guy doing my swap to go the extra mile and make DAMN SURE that all the wires in the harness are 100%...that my friend is called good service....if it takes longer so what....we get paid to do the job right the first time...other wise we wouldnt keep our jobs very long now would we???
hope you keep up the good work dan....tim



WHOA! Hey, why don't you go look at my last post? I said absolutely nothing bad about his work or how he does it, and then I even apologized and explained for the misunderstanding
Billybo455 NOV 19, 11:44 PM
seems like there's a lot of pissed off people on the forum anymore....
RideZiLightning NOV 19, 11:47 PM
Seriously man, go back and read my posts. There was not a single thing I said in any of my posts that could be interpreted as rude or that my way is better. I asked is this how everyone else does theirs, and then proceeded to show how I do mine. I even said his way was BETTER! Dan has gotten a lot of flak from some people and I understand how he could have taken it the wrong way though. I don't know enough to make any kind of negative statement about him or his work
RideZiLightning NOV 19, 11:54 PM
Dan,

I'm sorry to have possibly contributed to the polluting of your thread.
FIEROFLYER NOV 20, 10:12 AM
No Z it is not you its the other guy the crap shooter.
This photo just shows PCM C1 is also complete the same way C2 was done one wire at a time. Also shows that I have started grouping the wires to feed off to the C500 connector, the C203 and the relays that will run the fuel pump and A/C clutch. Also the grounds will be grouped together and lengthened to reach the one stud on the lower bell housing bolt near the starter.
The jig I use has metal plates that stick out so I know where the fire wall will be and where the PCM connectors will be for mounting in the stock Fiero location. For swaps where the PCM will be mounted else where just run all the wires to reach where you wish to mount the PCM and assemble the connector there. Before I made this jig I built all my harnesses on the engine and used a good tape measure to figure out where every thing will need to be located and wired to match. Dan
FIEROFLYER NOV 21, 10:53 AM
For wiring the C203 the wires only need to feed a short distance past the PCM connectors for my harnesses I allow 20 inches from the firewall to the C203.
C203 pin A is no longer used as the 3800PCM does not have a shift light option
C203 pin B this is power from the furl pump fuse to the fuel pump relay and also a good spot to tap off +12 v battery power for the OBD II DLC connector. I also use heavier gauge wire salvaged from the Fiero engine harness for fuel pump wiring.
C203 pin C check engine light (MIL) this is from PCM C2 pin 5
C203 pin D this is +12v through the A/C pressure sensors in the front of the Fiero, I use this wire to feed the A/C compressor clutch relay to engage the relay.
C203 pin E oil pressure gauge feed from the oil pressure sensor. For this you need to convert over to a 3 pin oil pressure sensor which is for a gauge not an idiot light. The ones from the 88 V6 Fiero work well here.
C203 pin F this is 12v ignition from the ECM fuse for PCM C1 pin 19
C203 pin G this is the speed sensor high feed to the speedometer. This must be connected to the PCM C1 pin 55 through a buffer circuit on auto swaps
C203 pin H this is no longer used

C203 pin J this is 12v ignition from TBI inj 1 fuse this is where the pink wires from all six injectors is connected then the fuse replaced with a 15 amp fuse.
C203 pin K this is where all the other ignition feeds from the engine are to be connected and the fuse also replaced with a 15 amp fuse
C203 pin L this is power from the fuel pump relay to the fuel pump and also is a larger gauge wire than the one used in the 3800SC cars
C203 pin M this is ground which is connected to chassis ground MAKE SURE PIN M IS NOT CONFUSED WITH PIN N WHICH IS 12V
C203 pin N this is 12v feed for the A/C clutch relay which is switched through the relay to the clutch solenoid green wire
C203 pin P this is the TCC feed from the brake pedal and goes to PCM C1 pin 30
C203 pin R is speed sensor low which with auto swaps goes to ground, on manual swaps gets connected to the purple wire on the speed sensor.