Global climate change fires? (Page 2/4)
williegoat SEP 15, 09:10 PM
In lieu of of repeating the truth over and over, ad infinitum, I will just link to the last time I said it less than a month ago. Nothing has changed: http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/125380.html#p3
cvxjet SEP 15, 10:53 PM
So let me get this straight; In all you RED states you go out and sweep up all the stuff on the forest floor every year..."Right"? SHow me proof of that.

Why have we NEVER had fires like this before? All because the Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt allows the duff to build up on the forest floor..? Nothing to do with 70+ mph winds that we have NEVER had up until the last 5 years....

If Trump tells you to jump off a cliff will you do it? ("Yes- Gladly!!!!!")
williegoat SEP 15, 11:19 PM


Effectiveness of Forest Management in Reducing Wildfire Risk

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Forest management that selectively removes trees to reduce fire risk, among other objectives (a practice referred to as “fuel treatments”), can maintain uneven-aged forest structure and create small openings in the forest. Under some conditions, this practice can help prevent large wildfires from spreading. Photo shows the effectiveness of fuel treatments in Arizona’s 2002 Rodeo-Chediski fire, which burned more than 400 square miles – at the time the worst fire in state history. Unburned area (left) had been managed with a treatment that removed commercial timber, thinned non-commercial-sized trees, and followed with prescribed fire in 1999. The right side of the photo shows burned area on the untreated slope below Limestone Ridge. (Photo credit: Jim Youtz, U.S. Forest Service).


This is the fire that was the subject of the song in my previous link.
blackrams SEP 15, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

So let me get this straight; In all you RED states you go out and sweep up all the stuff on the forest floor every year..."Right"? SHow me proof of that.

Why have we NEVER had fires like this before? All because the Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt allows the duff to build up on the forest floor..? Nothing to do with 70+ mph winds that we have NEVER had up until the last 5 years....

If Trump tells you to jump off a cliff will you do it? ("Yes- Gladly!!!!!")



It would appear to me that Forrest Management has to be improved. It also appears that there are one heck of a lot of arsonist out there. Is someone trying to prove something?

https://www.kezi.com/conten...fires-571947561.html


All these arrested for setting fires


https://kymkemp.com/2020/08...rested-this-morning/

https://www.abc10.com/artic...58-b222-66591640d7eb

https://www.kpax.com/news/w...st-arrested-in-pablo

https://www.vcstar.com/stor...ta-paula/3404121001/


Lambo nut SEP 15, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

So let me get this straight; In all you RED states you go out and sweep up all the stuff on the forest floor every year..."Right"? SHow me proof of that.

Why have we NEVER had fires like this before? All because the Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt allows the duff to build up on the forest floor..? Nothing to do with 70+ mph winds that we have NEVER had up until the last 5 years....

If Trump tells you to jump off a cliff will you do it? ("Yes- Gladly!!!!!")




You don't happen to wear a vagina (aka pussy) hat do you?
maryjane SEP 16, 02:45 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

So let me get this straight; In all you RED states you go out and sweep up all the stuff on the forest floor every year..."Right"? SHow me proof of that.

Why have we NEVER had fires like this before? All because the Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt allows the duff to build up on the forest floor..? Nothing to do with 70+ mph winds that we have NEVER had up until the last 5 years....

If Trump tells you to jump off a cliff will you do it? ("Yes- Gladly!!!!!")


Never?

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The governor is right that climate change is real, man-made and something we need to deal with smartly. But the claim that the fires are caused by climate change is grossly misleading. Translated into policy, it would steer the state to the worst way to help future Californians.

To understand why, it helps to know that California wildfires used to be much bigger. This past decade, California has seen an average burnt area of 775,000 acres. Before 1800, however, California typically saw between 4.4 and 11.9 million acres burn every year.

In other words, up to 12 percent of the entire area of the state — had its modern boundaries existed in the 18th century — burned every year. Old newspapers across the country were filled with descriptions of terrible fires. Back then, “skies were likely smoky much of the summer and fall in California,” as one academic paper noted. Elsewhere in the country in 1781, “the smoke was so dense that many persons thought the day of judgment had come,” The New York Times reported a century later.



https://sioweb.ucsd.edu/pro...16_SantaAnaWinds.pdf
https://nypost.com/2020/09/...p-californias-fires/


Sometimes, weather events join together and cause massive fires. Events like low humidity, drought and wind. It doesn't take much wind to drive a wildfire.......they make their own wind soon enough anyway. My state is not immune to wildfires, but we do try to keep the brush burned back. I live in the middle of Sam Houston National Forest and Tx Forest Service, Nat Forest Service, and Texas A&M Agri-Life Extension Service routinely carry out prescribed burns all around my county as well as other counties. Weather comes in cycles, and the cycles are repeated over and over century to century in about 27 year cycles caused by the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO).
My farm is the cleared space...almost all the rest is National Forest:

PDO


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The PDO index has been reconstructed using tree rings and other hydrologically sensitive proxies from west North America and Asia.


MacDonald and Case[24] reconstructed the PDO back to 993 using tree rings from California and Alberta. The index shows a 50–70 year periodicity but is a strong mode of variability only after 1800, a persistent negative phase occurring during medieval times (993–1300) which is consistent with La Niña conditions reconstructed in the tropical Pacific and multi-century droughts in the South-West United States.

Several regime shifts are apparent both in the reconstructions and instrumental data, during the 20th century regime shifts associated with concurrent changes in SST, SLP, land precipitation and ocean cloud cover occurred in 1924/1925, 1945/1946, and 1976/1977



PDO is the leading cause of cyclic caused wildfires in the USA but can also affect moisture content in the atmosphere and ground level worldwide..2011, saw 31,453 wildfires and 4 million acres burn, mostly out in scrub rangeland.

For Texas....


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At the root of this evolving situation is a change in the climate cycle that increases the occurrence of drought.
In 2011, Texas experienced the worst one-year drought in recorded state history, which dates back to 1895. The
result was devastating wildfires and massive destruction. But the drought of 2011 was not an isolated event. In
Texas, droughts have been occurring with increasing severity since 1996. One-year droughts were recorded in
1996, 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001. Each year, the occurrence of large and complex wildfires mimicked the scope
and intensity of the droughts.
In 2005, there was a rise in both scope and duration. Droughts lasted multiple years — 2005-2006 and 2008-2009
— and impacted the entire state. The threat of large and complex wildfires extended throughout the droughts,
challenging the state’s capacity and capability to respond effectively.
Conditions only got worse in 2011, a record-setting year. As of October 2012, there are parts of South and
Northwest Texas that still have not recovered from the 2011 drought.
According to the Texas State Climatologist’s Office, the state is in a period where droughts will be common, at
least for the near future.
“Texas is in a period of enhanced drought susceptibility due to global ocean temperature patterns and has been
since at least the year 2000,” according to the state climatologist’s report, The 2011 Texas Drought. “The good news
is that these global patterns tend to reverse themselves over time ... Looking into the distant future, the safest bet
is that global temperatures will continue to increase, causing Texas droughts to be warmer and more strongly
affected by evaporation.”
The prospect, then, is for additional droughts, each with a severity or intensity similar to those of recent years.
If this prediction is realized, it could, in turn, lead to extended wildfire seasons with the potential for large and
complex wildfires.
How long will this trend continue? One of the global ocean temperature patterns referred to above by the state
climatologist is the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO). The PDO is a multi-year pattern that changes every 25 to
30 years. When Texas is in a “cool phase” — as it is now — the state is more prone to drought. The last cool phase
was during the 1950s and 1960s, a time period that also saw severe droughts. The drought of 2011 did not eclipse
the drought of 1954-1956, which remains the most severe drought on record for the state due to its duration.
Based on readings from the Joint Institute for the Study of the Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of
Washington, the PDO has been in its current phase for about 12 years, with the transition starting about 15 years
ago. It is uncertain how long this cycle will last. However, when compared to the duration of previous cycles, another 15 years or so is possible.


https://tfsweb.tamu.edu/upl...exas%20Wildfires.pdf

[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 09-16-2020).]

cliffw SEP 16, 03:12 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:
So let me get this straight; In all you RED states you go out and sweep up all the stuff on the forest floor every year..."Right"? SHow me proof of that.



Why are we being denied our forest fires, .


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Originally posted by cvxjet:
Why have we NEVER had fires like this before? All because the Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt allows the duff to build up on the forest floor..? Nothing to do with 70+ mph winds that we have NEVER had up until the last 5 years....



"Like this before" ? Every single frikken year, .
Yes, your Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt allows the duff to build up on the forest floor. How else is your Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt going to pay for healthcare for illegal immigrants even though your Hyper-liberal, Leftist-commie CA govt charges on of the highest tax burdens on it's citizens.


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Originally posted by cvxjet:
If Trump tells you to jump off a cliff will you do it? ("Yes- Gladly!!!!!")



C'mon coward, come out of the closet. We have already seen your false lies that you are a conservative. Where is your liberal pride ?

olejoedad SEP 16, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

So you guys are saying we need to hack down all of the forests......Why don't you go eliminate the forests all over the world? That would increase CO2....Which you guys love so much...But wait, since you can't see CO2, you don't believe in CO2, right?

The anti-science guys "KNow" that the answer always "lies" in whatever the Oil industry tells them....

Do you all go to anti-science meetings in cars? And text each other about anti-science on your Cell-phones? You need to ELIMINATE all Science from your lives....Only live by the Bible (But Trump wants the bible rewritten with him as the messiah)

Burn, Witch, BURN!!! ("Right"?)



Anti-science?

You have no information as to my background, nor that of most others that contribute to this Forum, other than what we have posted.

And based on the posts that many others here have shared, it appears many of them have extensive backgrounds in science, and deductive reasoning.

cliffw SEP 16, 10:30 AM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:
Anti-science?



Of course. Did you expect anything else from a racist ? They are the self righteous pompous fools.

C'mon cvxjet, prove that your not a racist ! No, don't. You will only prove that you are stupid.
williegoat SEP 16, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by cvxjet:

So let me get this straight; In all you RED states you go out and sweep up all the stuff on the forest floor every year..."Right"? SHow me proof of that.


I would be interested in your response to the proof that I posted.