Another Katatak Fiero Adventure! (Page 53/72)
Jake_Dragon JAN 10, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by jmbishop:

I plan on mounting my water pump under the front hood.



I wondered why this wasnt done more often.
katatak JAN 10, 09:42 PM
I am just guessing here but I think the CSI/CSR remote pump has one inlet and one outlet so I do not see why it could not be mounted "in Line" up front. I have yet to "plumb" mine yet but I could see it being a problem with the Meziere remote. I would think on the SBC, you would have to run both block hoses into a Y then connect to the coolant tube. I wonder what these pumps are rated at for "pulling" vs " pushing"? I really do not have an answer but am now wondering why too!
jmbishop JAN 11, 12:44 AM
Mounting the water pump in the front also eliminates the need for 1 of the heater hoses running under the car, that would leave a nice empty tube for battery cables. I've been wanting to mount it in the front since I decided to go with a remote pump.

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Archie JAN 11, 07:56 AM

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Originally posted by katatak:

I am just guessing here but I think the CSI/CSR remote pump has one inlet and one outlet so I do not see why it could not be mounted "in Line" up front. I have yet to "plumb" mine yet but I could see it being a problem with the Meziere remote. I would think on the SBC, you would have to run both block hoses into a Y then connect to the coolant tube. I wonder what these pumps are rated at for "pulling" vs " pushing"? I really do not have an answer but am now wondering why too!



The CSI & Mez pumps are both a single inlet & dual outlet.

The idea is that.....

The 2 W/P connections on the front of the engine are for coolant coming into the engine & do not connect directly to a single water pipe. The 2 outlets from the pump are ment to be connected to the 2 inlets on the enigne.

Archie
katatak JAN 11, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Archie:


The CSI & Mez pumps are both a single inlet & dual outlet.

The idea is that.....

The 2 W/P connections on the front of the engine are for coolant coming into the engine & do not connect directly to a single water pipe. The 2 outlets from the pump are ment to be connected to the 2 inlets on the enigne.

Archie




Thanks Archie - I was not sure on the CSI/CSR if it had 1 or 2 outlets. My plan is to follow your lead on the mount and plumbing. I guess if you wanted to mount the pump up front, you could plug one of the outlets? I woud think that by plugging one, it would reduce the volume/flow? This is all new to me! Thanks again for oyur help.

Pat
katatak JAN 13, 10:34 PM
Got a little package in the mail today! Can you guess what it was?



So I went to work making a template so I could devise a mount for it. The PO had hacked up the sidewall pretty bad so I had to trim it up. In Archie's pics, it appears that they made a monut plate - mounted the pump to the plate and the plate to the side wall. My original plan was to do the same but I did not have any sheet metal that I felt was thick enough to make the plate. I went to a few steel shops but none had what I was looking for - either too thin 16 gauge or too thick - 1/4". So I improvised and built my own version of a pump mount then welded it to the side wall. A little grinding and buttering then some paint and it will be perfect.

I made a carboard template of the pump so I could hold it in place on the sidewall to check for clearance and position:


Cut it out:


Then with some hot glue, stuck on the included mount bracket:


After trimming the sidewall and fabbing the bracket, I used a C clamp to hold the bracket in place and mounted the pump to check the position and clearance again. All was good so I went to welding. I really have to go get some more MIG wire and get my bottle refilled because I can not weld with flux core - I just make a mess. With the bracket welded in, I mounted the pump.


Now I just have to clean it up and paint it. There is a section of the fenderwell that was chopped out for the original H2O pump pulley. I will go to the yard tomorrow and cut a section out of a donor car then fit and weld it in the Coupe.

More later!

Pat
katatak JAN 15, 01:22 AM
I spent most the day working so I did not get to the yard for some patch panels. After looking at it, I did not like the big ugly hole in the side wall so I decided to fab up a "trim" panel. A few days ago, my neighbors were moving and had left a large glass table top out for the trash man. I snagged it to use it for laying up fiberglass panels and today I gave it a workout. My trim panel is made of fiberglass and once I get it mounted and sealed to the inner side panel then painted, it will look way better.

My new fiberglass work top:


I cut out all my glass - 4 layers of cloth and 3 layers of mat - I wanted a nice solid piece of glass to work with.


Waiting for it to cure!


Add some heat!


Pop it loose:


Then I went to the garage and made a quick template out of foam core then transfered to the fiberglass panel:


Back to the garage for a test fit on the car and trace the mount:



Bolt up the pump and trace the pump on the panel:


My trusty but rusty scroll saw gets some use!


Getting closer:


A little trimming with the dremel and another test fit:


Back to the garage for another test fit:



I guess I could have done this with a piece of sheet metal and use some spot welds and seam sealer. I just had a urge to play with some fiberglass. I think that having the fiberglass panel sandwiched between the pump and the body may add some "insulation". Then again, it may not matter. I have to fab up one more small "tab" type bracket for the bottom side of the pump - once that's done and I get the patch panel welded and sealed, it should be ready for a motor stuff.

And for your viewing enjoyment, we had another great Far West Texas Winter Sunset so I snapped a few shots from the backyard. I love the desert!



More tomorrow!

Pat
katatak JAN 16, 06:28 PM
We goofed off all day yesterday so I had to make up for it today. I was up at 5am - had to take my oldest son to the Airport - he was headed to Chicago to start his new career on the CNRR - WaHooooooooo! Anyway, I was going to go back to bed after the airport but I decided to jump in on the Coupe and get the water pump, fenderwell, frame reinforcement completed. After drilling out the spot welds on my patch panel and drilling a few more holes for new spot welds, it was time to climb back in and start the fitup and welding.

The hole to fill:


Setting the panel in place for the spot welds:


Now here's the problem - I did not cut the patch panel big enough to fit the entire hole:


So I hand to try my hand at some "free" form metal work!


Don't look too clse at those welds - they are fugly - I hate flux core wire - and half way through my project toady, I ran out of wire! You can also see that I cut out the new hole for the hose.


Then is was time to "fill" the old hose hole:



Now with all the welding and grinding and hammering done, I wanted to use seam sealer on all the seams. By the time I got everything covered, well the entire area was covered with seam sealer so I decided to use a paint brish and give it a little texture - it's rougher than I wanted but I can knock it down with some sand paper after it cures.


A layer of "rubberiszed" undercoating and it's near completion - still too rough on the texture but it will do.


My wife decided that it was high time I posted a picture of "me" in my engine bay. I believe this is the only picture on PFF of me - and I am working - or at least admiring my new Meziere Electric Water Pump!


More later!

Pat
josef644 JAN 16, 08:37 PM
At Last!!!
katatak JAN 16, 08:56 PM
Well after some boring football, I went back out to the garage and stuffed the motor in the car - hopefully for the last time! I will have to lower the rear of the cradles and do a little more clearance work for the balancer! I have yet to figure out why it is so close - it dod not have this problem with the other motor. Maybe I do not have the balance pulled all the way onto the crank? I'm not sure how much farther I can pull it onto the crank - looking like some clearance problem with the timing cover if I do? I'll deal with that later this week. I might try and do a little slotting on the trans mounts - IIf I could slide the motor 1/4" to the driver side, I could move the front motor mount to the back side of the welded cradle mount and gains some much needed clearance - I'll still have to "carve" a little more off the frame rail.

Wishful thinking! I torqued the four cradle bolts:




Hard to see in these picks but there is about 1/8" clearance - I need more!



Plenty of room for some custom exhaust work!


The other side of my rebuilt fenderwell / water pump mount.



More later!

Pat

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