Project MIDTRBO (Page 33/35)
ALLTRBO DEC 16, 09:29 PM
Okay, next up...

This is what I should have received on my car, anodized black top and all (I specified that, too):



Vs. what I did receive:




Here is the other part of what I found when I took off the wastegate...
Poorly hogged out holes (and not even a simple hand de-burring with a larger drill bit) and lovely vice marks:



(washers must be evil, they weren't used very often on this build)





Vs. the right way (valve seat insert and all):





While we're at it, lets have a look at the great seal on the ghetto teflon-taped barb fitting. Another exhaust leak. Surprise, surprise...



I saved the best for last. As I previously mentioned, these were stripped in the mating flange and barely more than finger tight.
Two simple bolts. Too big, used and in nasty condition, and completely different from each other in just about every way. Not even the heads are the same size. The different thread pitch? That takes the cake:





I can't take pics of the mating flange on the POS Y-pipe right now, but of course it looks just as bad. What this all means is that I can't even install the new wastegate without repairing the Y-pipe with M8 helicoils (if they'll even fit in the stripped M10 threads) or building a new one entirely which needs to happen anyway because it doesn't line up to the manifolds. Thanks.

Again, HOW DO YOU SCREW THAT UP?

[This message has been edited by ALLTRBO (edited 12-16-2011).]

Pete Matos DEC 17, 02:47 PM
Alltrbo....
Jeez man I am very sorry you are having this trouble with your car. I can see from the pics that things were not done well and I do not see how anyone can look at those pics and think any of that will fly. Specifically the proximity of high heat elements and things that can burn. I do not know what you paid for this work but from the threads I have read about Haus of Guru and his builds I was quite amazed it can reach well into the many thousands of dollars. It is also troubling that despite any disagreements between yourself and him about what you are building and how, that he seems to be blaming you for a lot of this. I am sure that pisses you off as it would really unhinge me. I honestly do not care what you intended to build or how , this man comes on here and quite often touts how amazing his skills are and how high quality his builds are and apparently charges a premium for them. If you are going to conduct yourself and try to present yourself as an expert in this sort of thing, you had better make damn sure you can back it up. The fact that he apparently received a FULL and DETAILED description of your build plans and you went back and forth with it and he ACCEPTED the responsibility to do this work negates to me any argument about what he WANTED to do with the car. If he thought your design sucked as he said then he should have never taken your money and accepted the vehicle into his shop. The resultant work and condition of the car does not match what you intended nor does the quality meet with yours (or anyone else's) standards for a professional level build. I am sure seeing these pictures plastered on here really pisses him off and will not do much to further his reputation as a fiero professional but to see his responses quite honestly makes this all look very bad in my opinion.

I read where he said that he does not NEED to do Fiero work.... well quite honestly I cannot imagine why someone would want to do this type of work unless they really loved Fiero's. These cars are not your typical mustangs, camaros, or vette's where everyone seems to have one and there is a large aftermarket for them. So to take on custom work for these cars takes a level of commitment you probably will not see in other makes. To come on here and say that he really does not make any money on them and that he is not gonna do certain builds is kind of a cop out if you ask me. If you are a professional car builder and you are gonna take on work of this type and talk about all the different swaps and whatnot you have done then why would you make these statements? You are either in fiero's or out....

To be honest with you if I towed my car to some PRO's shop and paid a bunch of money for them to BUILD my car and now I am finishing the build thread MYSELF on the same car I would be awfully pissed off about it. I do not blame you one bit for posting this here and quite honestly the responses he has made about it does not show me that he is a true professional regardless of the issues with this car. A true pro would take care of it even if it cost him money. Anyone who is willing to put up their sign and take in work doing custom engine swaps in these cars take note here. You are either all in or all out... If you take someone's money to work on their swap, you better have the skills, know how, integrity, and professionalism to not only build it right and pretty the way the customer wants but you need to have the integrity to back up your work no matter what. If a build is too crazy or unorthodox for you have the nads to say no thanks and stick to what you truly know how to do. It is just that simple.... Honestly I don't care if your customer gets on a forum and calls you and your momma everything nasty under the sun, have the professionalism to stand behind your work and make it right regardless. It is after all your name and work that is under the magnifying glass here. If you do not have the courage and integrity to do that then find some other line of work.... It really is just that simple.....

Pete
ALLTRBO DEC 17, 07:40 PM
Well said Pete. Thanks for your willingness to post your opinion here, a lot of others won't. I don't mind hearing opinions either way as long as they're posted in a reasonable manner.
ericjon262 DEC 26, 10:53 PM
I have to agree with Pete, if you're being paid to do something that you agreed to do, then you do it. if you don't want to, don't agree to.


ALLTRBO-

Got any updates for us?

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ALLTRBO DEC 27, 05:55 PM
No updates yet, Friday before last a girl ran a red light and T-boned my DD Camaro so I've been dealing with that and working out details for trading that in on a 2012 SS since I don't want to keep the 2010 anymore.
ericjon262 DEC 27, 10:28 PM
10-4 keep us posted! good luck on the trade in.
Will DEC 28, 09:06 AM

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Originally posted by ALLTRBO:

No updates yet, Friday before last a girl ran a red light and T-boned my DD Camaro so I've been dealing with that and working out details for trading that in on a 2012 SS since I don't want to keep the 2010 anymore.



No C6?
Week saws.
ALLTRBO DEC 28, 08:30 PM
Teh wifey won't have it. I don't blame her.

They tweaked the suspension on the 2012 SS's (now FE4), I think it worked. It doesn't feel *as much* like a truck anymore.
Will DEC 30, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by ALLTRBO:

Teh wifey won't have it. I don't blame her.

They tweaked the suspension on the 2012 SS's (now FE4), I think it worked. It doesn't feel *as much* like a truck anymore.



If you get an autotragic, she could drive it too

Not feeling like a truck and not *being* a truck are two different things...

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ericjon262 JAN 26, 01:39 AM
got any updates for us?

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