Blooze Own: An F355 Six Speed N* Build Thread (Page 30/126)
DeLorean00 DEC 19, 12:50 AM
I assumed aircraft. It shows in your work. With aircrafts you have no choice but perfection.

BTW, keep up the detailed log. It reads like a good book. Plus we all can learn a thing or two from someone with your level of experience.

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dratts DEC 19, 09:55 AM
Ditto! I'll never be able to come close to doing your caliber of work nor can I afford it, but I always await your latest post with great anticipation. I appreciate the work that you do and the effort you put forth to share it. Thganks again
Bloozberry DEC 22, 08:59 PM
You guys are what makes keeping this thread fun for me. For 17Car, I haven't started sorting out the electrical issues yet, which I know there will be plenty. I'll probably start that part of the project after the cradle.

The Northstar and F40 at this point are only temporarily mated since the clutch and flywheel aren’t yet installed. I am still contemplating the pros and cons of various flywheel configurations and clutch suppliers, but that didn’t prevent me from progressing in other areas. For starters, the old 2.8L engine and auto tranny had to come out of the chassis. Here it is, albeit a little out of focus, looking a little lost in the engine bay of a “Ferrari”.



The way I remove the engine and cradle from a Fiero is by jacking it from both sides of a 6” X 6” or 4” X 4” post slid under the area just ahead of the front cradle mounting ears. If you choose to do it this way, you must be sure that either the jacks are free to roll forward or the front wheels of the car are free to roll backwards, since the jack pads move fore and aft relative to the body of the jacks as you raise them. Catastrophe awaits those who don’t heed this advice.



Once the car is raised high enough for the plenum to clear the lower passenger side frame rail, I roll the engine out from the wheel well. You don't have to raise the car nearly as high if you pull it out of the wheel well compared to pulling it out from the back of the car because the trunk floor sits considerably lower than the side frame rail.



This car was an automatic, making my conversion a little more involved that it otherwise could’ve been had it started out life as a manual tranny car. It’s a low mileage one though with only 97,400 kms (60,900 miles) since the car has been on jacks since 1999. It still has the (piece of junk) pellet style OEM catalytic converter! I had hoped to use the ’88 cradle for my Northstar as many have done, so I proceeded to separate the 2.8/auto combination from it. This is always a fun time because a little effort produces huge visual results.



Here's the cradle with the engine removed:



I’ll probably rebuild the '88 engine and keep it as a spare, ready to drop in my ’86 GT if it ever needs it. I also have an ’85 parts engine that could be rebuilt but I don’t think I could ever justify the expense. It’s going to be hard enough to justify rebuilding the ’88! The transmission is up for grabs though since I can’t ever see myself using it.



And here’s the shoebox that the Northstar will some day occupy. It should fit with a little more room to spare than most of the Fiero N* conversions since the frame had already been stretched 3” when I bought it (thanks Rick!).

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Rickady88GT DEC 23, 01:46 PM
I like your work You have given me some ideas.
IF, I could give a bit of advice I would recommend starting the engine on the cradle outside of the car before the installation. That way It is SSOOOO much easier to trouble shoot any problems. Just don't run the water pump dry They are enough work just to remove and install once, don't want to have to do it more than needed. It is amazing how easy it is to have one bad wire after doing 100+ splices. I was even able to check for exhaust leaks and water leaks.
I have done this with every swap I have ever done.

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355Fiero DEC 23, 04:17 PM
Good job Blooz;

I see you have a 355 kit very similar to my kit that I started out with. Attached rocker, dip in the rear bumper and the rear bumper slopes up toward the rear fender well.

I can email you how to line all that up if you like. I did the same thing on my 355 build as well as separated the rockers and redid the rear bumper to level it out and create more definition in the lower rear bumper area. Not to much work and it really makes a difference in the final look of the car.

I will be done my 308 conversion this January and then it is back to the 355 to finish it off as well.

Keep up the great work and posting pics.

Cheers
Don
Bloozberry DEC 24, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Rickady88GT:

I would recommend starting the engine on the cradle outside of the car before the installation. It is amazing how easy it is to have one bad wire after doing 100+ splices. I have done this with every swap I have ever done.



Hi Rick, thanks for the advice. I hear what you're saying, and I may be tempted to try that once it's mounted to the new cradle, although I find the propsect rather intimidating.


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Originally posted by 355Fiero:

I can email you how to line all that up if you like. I did the same thing on my 355 build as well as separated the rockers and redid the rear bumper to level it out and create more definition in the lower rear bumper area.



Great minds think alike there 355Fiero. These are all things I plan on doing to my car as well. I can't stand the rockers being part of the doors, nor what the car looks like when you open the doors with them that way. I don't want to spoil all the surprises on what I'm going to do to my car here in the thread yet, but suffice it to say that the poor IFG body is going to go through a make-over. I'd love to see how you did yours for inspiration, I'll PM you my email address. Merry Christmas!

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Bloozberry DEC 30, 10:17 PM
With the old engine off the cradle, assessing the cradle’s condition was the next step. I wasn’t prepared for what I’d find, that’s for sure. The cradle was covered in grime and loose scaly rust so the first step was to wash it in varsol and take it outside to sandblast it. From this picture, you can see that I didn’t bother sandblasting the whole thing once I realized the condition of the cradle.



I could see that there was some serious hidden rust in key areas so the first thing I did was cut off the front engine mount shelf to get a better look. It wasn’t at all inspiring. This is the right hand cradle side rail under the mount.



Here are the two mounting points for lateral links on the right hand side. Not much structure left holding the rear mount in place. If you look carefully to the left of the photo, you can see where some one tried to weld up some of the holes with sheet metal.



Here’s the inside view of the left hand cradle side rail. Most of this rust damage wasn’t visible before I started sandblasting. It’s like Swiss cheese! The thing is, that with this level of perforation rust, you just know that the rest of the structure is only a fraction of the original wall thickness, even though you can't tell from the outside.



And this is the rear-most lateral link mount on the LH side rail… it’s barely hanging on! Again, somebody tried to salvage the cradle with a few patch panels but obviously wasn’t aware of the extent of the damage I uncovered by sandblasting.



The front cradle mounts weren’t spared from the rust bug either. This is the left hand one that’s eaten through in a critical area as well… the left-most hole is the trailing link mounting point that takes all of the accelerative and decelerative forces of the rear suspension.



And here’s the rear transmission mounting pocket. I’ve played with the contrast of the picture to highlight the problem. One thing this project has taught me is that the corollary to "Ignorance is bliss", is "Knowledge is bliss for Visa".


bubbajoexxx DEC 30, 10:44 PM
bad case of road salt termites
Erik DEC 31, 05:34 AM
Wow that's some bad cancer as it wasn't readily apparent. Now I have to go out and recheck my cradle even though I have already. What state was the car used?
cptsnoopy DEC 31, 06:00 PM
Wow, sorry to see how bad that is... I am curious to see if you look for a replacement that you will have to modify or just make another using this one as a template?

Other than the above issue,

Happy New Year!

Charlie