Girlfriends, 87 Coupe, Paint Build. Sanding Has Begun (Page 3/12)
darkhorizon JAN 06, 06:57 PM
Sealer is an inbetween color and body work, it REALLY helps get that chemical bond going, makes everything a nice flat uniform color, and the good sealers promote good dispersion of paint, and helps visualize wetness, which you NEED for all this heavy metallic you are going to be laying down.

The metallic is going to be a nightmare for you if you even make one mistake past the first coat... the heavy spots will build up the metallic, and the light spots will look very light in comparison to the heavier. Also the heavier parts will cause the metallic to fall down to the bottom, causing it to look funny and start streaking, modeling and tiger striping.

I used a pint of clear to get 3 coats on my front and rear bumpers... I think 2 quarts of the semi gloss is enough to do your whole car in 2 heavy coats. I would consider taking that back and just use your normal clear.. You will have tons of it left anyway, without a booth, I would keep the amount of clear you spray down to a minimum, so you dont have issues with dust accumulation (think like, the extra dust you get will just cause more wet sanding time, and you are just pulling the clear back off and down the drain).

I would go and get that quart of blue or whatever you need for your car, and see if they will take back some of your basecoat overload.

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GKDINC JAN 07, 05:25 AM
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JimmyS JAN 07, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

I used a pint of clear to get 3 coats on my front and rear bumpers... I think 2 quarts of the semi gloss is enough to do your whole car in 2 heavy coats. I would consider taking that back and just use your normal clear.. You will have tons of it left anyway, without a booth, I would keep the amount of clear you spray down to a minimum, so you dont have issues with dust accumulation (think like, the extra dust you get will just cause more wet sanding time, and you are just pulling the clear back off and down the drain).

I would go and get that quart of blue or whatever you need for your car, and see if they will take back some of your basecoat overload.




Remember that the 2 quarts of semi gloss clear is being used for 2 cars not just one. The under side of both hoods and decklids and the center of the top of my hood and then the whole underside of my hoodscoop. I haven't completely decided yet but I may also be using it to re-paint the whole front compartment on my car. I don't want to use the regular clear under the hoods and decklids cause I don't want those areas to be glossy. I want them semi glossy but protected which is why I am going to clear them instead of using a single stage semi gloss black paint.

I bought as much as I did for 3 reasons. 1st- I have never painted before so if I make a mistake and need to re-do some areas, I have enough material to do so. 2nd- I don't want to be painting and then realize I'm not going to have enough material to finish the job. 3rd- I'm not sure what the shelf life of the paint is but I hope to have some material left over for touch ups in the future.

Let me make this clear... I am not going to do this half assed. I plan on doing it the way it should be done. I have no intention on just slinging some paint on the car just to make it look better than it does and have it peeling in a couple years. I want it to last and I want it to look great, not just OK. Spending extra time prepping is not an issue. Spending extra time wet sanding the clear is not an issue. I am laid off from work so, time I have, money I don't. My time is free for me as I am working on mine and my girlfriends stuff. The way I look at it is... It is time well spent, better than sitting in front of a tv or video game becoming a vegetable. I fully understand that the way I am doing it (sanding all the way down to the factory primer and paint) is not completely necessary and is going to take more time. But in my eyes... It's the best way to do it and is time well spent.

Call me anal, call me crazy, but when i'm done...call me a painter.

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darkhorizon JAN 07, 02:57 PM
paint has a basically unlimited shelf life.. but still 3 gallons of color is alot... and repairs with a heavy custom metalics are not really possible on the same level a low metalic or a solid color would be and a full repaint would be the only way to do the repair. So considering it may be a decent idea to have the metalics on hand, but any base colors, such as that gallon of black, it wouldnt be hard to buy extra when you need it..

If quality is your goal here, then it may be a good idea to buy some more high build primer and some "toner'd" sealer, or get a good amount of some epoxy sealer/primer in a color that will sorta match your color schemes. The epxoy will give you a nice "base" primer that you can then put the highbuild primer on. I suggest that because some high builds are not designed to go over raw substrates, and the idea of the high build is to eliminate sand scratches which doesnt work well if the bonding and coverage properties dont work on raw substrates. The epoxy can then be modded slightly and used as a sealer..

I said it before, but I will say it again. I regret pulling as many panels off as I did on my paintjob.
JimmyS JAN 07, 09:42 PM
I want to thank GKDINC for hooking me up with a replacement drivers side front fender.

Both front fenders are now sanded. I also did a antenna delete on the passenger fender. Tomorrow I will start work on the front bumper. Once I have the front bumper sanded and repaired, I will prime the hood, fenders and front bumper. Then i|I will spray color on all the edges and clear the edges. Then I will install them all back on the car and start sanding door panels.

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rogergarrison JAN 08, 10:50 AM
Ya, thats a LOT of paint, lol. Guess it dont hurt to have too much. I painted a 10 seat twin engine AeroCommander (basicly a commuter airliner) airplane with 6 gallons of acrylic enamel.
Mister JAN 08, 12:51 PM

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Wait until the "headache" goes away and try again LMAO...
rogergarrison JAN 08, 05:55 PM
Since your stripping it down bare, be sure you block sand the first primer coats to make sure you get out most of the ripples you will get using a DA. No need to block it down everytime you reprime it though, plastic panels will warp back and forth depending on heat and cold anyway. You can get it absolutely perfect, paint it and an hour parked in the hot sun will bring it right back . The hood on my Ferrari kit fit perfect all the way around except in the summer when the rear corners popped up like 1/4 inch. Same with the door fit. When I restored older vettes that were real fiberglass, I had to make sure to leave waves and seam lines in them to look ' original '. A perfect straight one will never get NCRS certificate.

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JimmyS JAN 11, 11:24 PM
Progress continues. Today I finally got to try out my new spray gun.

First let me show you a couple pics of my garage converted into a makeshift spray booth. I attached 4 eye bolts in each corner of the garage up about 2" from the ceiling. I then ran some clothes line from eye bolt to eye bolt and pulled it really tight. I bought a roll of 10' X 100' plastic and cut it to the lengths of the wall + 6-8" extra. I wraped the plastic over the top of the clothes line 1" and stapled it about every 4-5" to make a curtain. Now when I want to paint, all I have to do is pull the curtains open.




I shut the garage door to the height of the 2 box fans and put the fans blowing out. I fill in the gaps between the fans, the door and ground with plastic so wind does not blow in.

I got both front fenders and the front bumper primered today. Tomorrow I will primer the hood. I also hope to give the primer a sanding and spray all the edges with color and clear.










It took a little bit getting used to the gun but once I got it figured out, everything went smooth. I did get 3 drips on the bumper though but that will sand out.

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pontiackid86 JAN 12, 12:06 AM

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i what thoes color keys but no one carrys keys like that anymore