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| LS4 V8 DoD 4T65-E TAPShift swap underway (pics inside) (Page 3/39) |
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Darth Fiero
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SEP 15, 08:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blkcofy:
To try to answer your specific question, I was strongly advised against keeping my 5sp manual getrag. Despite the fact that it is a newly rebuilt tranny w/ less than 300 miles on it the logic thought of 135hp engine match w/ now a 340hp engine match probably doesnt make alot of sense. While many folks have reported that the Getrag should have been able to handle the power, I've weighed that advice vs logic, as well as hearing many of these same Getrag loyals looking for new tranny's after a few years. I've had my car for 14 years and would like to have it another 14, so I opted with using the tranny that came with the engine (4T65e). Now, I actually ended up having Ryan practically rebuild compenents on it to handle future power upgrades as well as more aggressive shifting since I'm also keeping the TAPShift functionality. Would I have loved to keep a manual in the car? H-E-double toothpick yeah! So I did look into it further and found that the 6sp tranny in the G6 would be a possible option. I think you'd still have to do some mods to it to firm it up, as the G6 GTP is only 252hp.
Keep asking and looking if you want to go manual...look into the G6 even. And if you think you actually can use a 5sp Getrag....do I have a deal for you!! 
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To further contribute to this discussion one of the other major reasons I advised against using the manual trans with this engine was because of the starter mounting issue. As you can see in the pictures above, the starter mounts to the 4T65-E auto transmission, not the engine. There really isn't room on the engine to mount a starter unless something was done to the oil pan. Which means the only way to get a starter on this engine would have required custom machining and fabrication of some kind which would have really run the cost of the swap up. Furthermore, nobody has proven a 6-speed G6 transmission will hold up to the power of a V8 or a healthy V6 yet. And like blkcofy said, he wants this car to be as reliable as possible. I just don't think any affordable manual transmission would be as reliable as the 4T65-E HD auto trans that came with this engine.
Aside from that, it is unclear how well this LS4's PCM would work without the presence of the auto transmission's computer (and missing auto trans); and if the DoD would continue to work without communications with the TCM.[This message has been edited by Darth Fiero (edited 09-15-2007).]
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Darth Fiero
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SEP 17, 11:30 PM
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Comin' out...

After some work...


Now I have some cleanup to do in the eng compartment and with this cradle. After the initial cleaning is done I will start on test-fitting the LS4/4T65-E powerplant into the engine bay. Stay tuned...
-ryan
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blkcofy
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SEP 18, 02:02 AM
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I don't suppose anyone would be interested in a 2.8 V6 engine? It's got about 75,000 or so miles on her. I just hate throwing things away...I'm such a pack rat sometimes. But the only choice Ryan will have is sending her to the junk heap. Sad, sad, sad. Is there anyone that will give her a new home? She ran great from Cinci to Fort Wayne, +200miles, no over heating, averaging 80mph the whole way. Ryan can give an honest assessment on how she looks if there's any real interest. PM me.
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darkhorizon
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SEP 18, 09:53 AM
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post it up in the mall, I would suggest you part out the commonly used stuff, like IGN modual, exhaust, egr tube, distributer ect...
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OH10fiero
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SEP 18, 11:37 AM
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Raydar
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SEP 19, 12:00 AM
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. [This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 10-28-2007).]
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OH10fiero
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SEP 19, 10:08 AM
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blkcofy
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SEP 19, 10:24 PM
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Does anyone have any perspective and/or advice on brake packages? I've already put the vented front brake conversion kit from The Fiero Store on the car before the swap.
 It greatly improved braking, but that was with the 2.8L! I've reviewed the 11" kit from RCC Specialty for $1260. Does anyone have any experience with this kit? It seems like it would do the trick, I'm just cautious about dropping that much money this early in the swap process on brakes...unless I have to. Of course with bigger brakes, I'd need bigger wheels/tires...(darn it!!)
Ryan mentioned that some folks have had good experience with a Lebarron Brake kit? I'll do a search to see what I find, but has anyone used this? What I'm basically wanting is to make sure I can bring this puppy to a halt when needed, and I'm also going to have it on the track probably once to twice a year, so brake fade is important. This is NOT going to be a race car, but with 340hp, I'm just thinking I need some serious stopping power. I'm just curious about hearing from folks whom have had good experiences with upgraded brakes.
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Darth Fiero
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SEP 19, 10:28 PM
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darkhorizon
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SEP 19, 10:39 PM
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Does it interface with that hinge perch?
As far as brakes go, the grand am/lebaron swap is a very decent upgrade over a 84-87 brake setup. The 88 brakes should offer plenty of stopping power for you.
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