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FierociousGT FEB 09, 05:17 PM
I'll get back too you.

FYI
The remote locks/unlocks where shipped to the wrong address (FL). I will put them in the mail TO IL on Monday.

Call me if you need anything or have q's.
Archie FEB 09, 06:20 PM

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Originally posted by DIY_Stu:

Those mirrors will work just attach bolts to the surface then reinforce that. There's ˝" inside that triangular pocket.




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One of the replies from MMBrazil.

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From: MMBRAZIL
To: FierociousGT
Posted: Feb 08, 2008 - 05:34 PM
Subject: Re: Diablo replica mirrors
You can make new holding bolts, cut the old ones off, get new ones, weld a square steel to the foot ( so the bolt doesn´t turn when fixing it to door )and fiberglass it in the position you want. Have someone that works with fiberglass do it, its very simple to solve your problem.

Looking at the pics its very easy to place the mirror in your car, don´t worry I will help you.
tks



You're the guys that sold him the mirrors aren't you. Since David has decided that he's going to mount the mirrors himself after the car gets back home, maybe you can convince a few more Fiero people to buy them before Devid gets around to finding out that I'm right about fitting the mirrors on his car.

You're not dealing with a rookie here, I've probably installed as many aftermarket non-stock mirrors on Fieros as anyone.

I was born at night but not last night.

Yes the studs are mounted outside the area of the base of the mirror but I've seen that on a lot of the kit car based stuff. And I know how to mount & anchor replacement studs.

The problem here is that the mirror base doesn't have a chance of fitting inside the triangle area we have to work with.

If you read my previous post you'd see that but I'll explain it again for you.



The area we have to fit into is measured as follows.....

Line "C" is 5.8" long. The angle from line "C" to line "A" is 29 degrees. The angle from line "C" to line "B" is 111 degrees.

Lay this out on a pc. of cardboard & it looks like this.....





Now, let's take a look at the mirror, we'll get back to the triangle later.

I did a complete layout inspection of the mirror.

For reference here, we're going to call the area where the mirror legs meet the base plate the "BODY".

The 2 legs of the mirror have Radii where they meet the base plate. I measured the mirror "BODY" at the base of those Radii, no more no less.





The basic "BODY" of the mirror is 4.45" long & 3.35" high. The legs are rounded a bit where they meet the base plate. So I rounded the corners of the 4.45 x 3.35 rectangle "BODY" with some tape.







All of this results in this template of the "BODY"



Now, maybe one of you guys can convince us that the square peg is gonna fit into the Triangle hole.









As I stated in my original post on this subject, the mirror would have to be mounted a little over 2" down into the door panel to avoid modifying the "A" pillar.

Archie

[This message has been edited by Archie (edited 02-09-2008).]

Archie FEB 09, 07:04 PM
Wheels test fitting.

Chuck "MotorTV" brought one of his rear wheels over today for a test fit on #25.

The outside wall of the tire sticks out about 1/2" at the top of the wheel well.



More pics











No $100.00 Bills here.



More like 75 cents...





Archie
madcurl FEB 09, 07:21 PM
Sweet!
DIY_Stu FEB 09, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Archie:

You're the guys that sold him the mirrors aren't you.



Damn another payroll I've been missing out on. If he wants those mirrors on his car get them on there. Now that some real pictures have been shown it's still doable. YES the mirror needs to "violate" the A pillar. Hell mold it to it make it one piece with the A pillar. Would probably look better that way. Then when the car's disassembled for paint it can be pulled off. To do this DON'T use bolts from the mirror but install T nuts in the glass and use proper length bolts or bolt from the inside so the mirror will release with the roof panel. If the car won't be able to come back apart. Install a flex sleeve in the spring that will make it into the car for the wires. Then glass the edge of the spring to the base to keep it in place and only disconnect the spring from the mirror it's self for painting. Why wouldn't this work?

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FieroWannaBe FEB 09, 08:50 PM

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Originally posted by DIY_Stu:


Damn another payroll I've been missing out on. If he wants those mirrors on his car get them on there. Now that some real pictures have been shown it's still doable. YES the mirror needs to "violate" the A pillar. Hell mold it to it make it one piece with the A pillar. Would probably look better that way. Then when the car's disassembled for paint it can be pulled off. To do this DON'T use bolts from the mirror but install T nuts in the glass and use proper length bolts or bolt from the inside so the mirror will release with the roof panel. If the car won't be able to come back apart. Install a flex sleeve in the spring that will make it into the car for the wires. Then glass the edge of the spring to the base to keep it in place and only disconnect the spring from the mirror it's self for painting. Why wouldn't this work?




how would he open the door?
MMBRAZIL FEB 09, 09:29 PM
Hello, first of all I would like to introduce myself. I am MMBRAZIL, I built Lamborghini Diablo 6.0 replicas here in Brazil. My specialty is Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber. If any of you go to the exceptional service forum in kitcentral.com you´ll see my reputation. Unfortunately here in Brazil we have no Fiero´s, so I had no idea even how it looked like. Just answering Archie what I was thinking when I sent the mirrors with the harness off, The mirrors needs painting, and so, have to be disassembled, painted and put back together. If the wiring harness was pre installed you would have to cut the wires take it off for painting. The seals I agree were bad cutted.
Now looking at the pics, it will not fit in that space. I went to the gallery and saw the mirror base of the fiero is mounted in the door sheet. What if you placed the mirror down enough to fit below the A pilar, would it be to low?
DIY_Stu FEB 09, 10:47 PM
Fierowannabe the mirror has to be placed above the door opening. The image I have in my head. Just seeing all the pics I see a l shaped notch having to be cut out of the upper post then molded to the A pillar. This can give the lower post the ability to carry the wiring and clear the top of the door. None the less these mirrors are big and will be a task to get them to work.

MMBRAZIL Nice mirrors, but Dayum they are huge! If they hang down below the horizontal lower line they will keep the door from opening. The rectangular cut out with the 3 holes is the original mirror mount.
madcurl FEB 10, 01:11 AM
Very interesting how a 11" rim is outside the body fender lip on a 88 and not on Chuck's pre 88.



Hey Archie, did you take any under the car pics? How far was he inner barrel from the rear coil-over?

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FierociousGT FEB 10, 01:16 AM
Archie, I am tried of your constain complaining durning this whole customizing part of the project. What is the problem that I'm requesting for you to just install the mirror triangular base plates and patch up the stock mirror door. I will deal with the mirror issue here even if I have to get another one which may be the case. And that mirror may work on a non-choptop Fiero which does not apply to me. And if your read my previous post I understood that the issue was the bolt too far out (this is what I understood as the body w/ everything in between), but you didn't even answer and just start critizing everyone related to the issue.

David


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Originally posted by Archie:
You're the guys that sold him the mirrors aren't you. Since David has decided that he's going to mount the mirrors himself after the car gets back home, maybe you can convince a few more Fiero people to buy them before Devid gets around to finding out that I'm right about fitting the mirrors on his car.

You're not dealing with a rookie here, I've probably installed as many aftermarket non-stock mirrors on Fieros as anyone.

I was born at night but not last night.

Yes the studs are mounted outside the area of the base of the mirror but I've seen that on a lot of the kit car based stuff. And I know how to mount & anchor replacement studs.

The problem here is that the mirror base doesn't have a chance of fitting inside the triangle area we have to work with.

If you read my previous post you'd see that but I'll explain it again for you.