The Official VR6 Engine Swap (Page 22/73)
doublec4 APR 03, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by mtownfiero:


uhh creatine without tons of water in your system will mess with your stomach and muscles pretty badly. Also if you take it for to long it will shut down your bodys natural creatine production. If you've been taking the creatine for a long period of time you have to ease off it because stopping completely at first would do more damage than good. Also probably not a good mix with beer.



creatine monohydrate is worse, you need lots of water because of the retention. Kre-alkyl creatine isn't as bad. Just keep everything in moderation.
PC Oldskool APR 03, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by bmwguru:


I have the Bentley manuals and Alldata. VW does not provide pinouts for their connectors like other manufacturers. Germanautoparts.com buys their parts from Worldpac....same as me. I do have an account with MJM...that's where I got the Peloquin LSD from. Basically, the diagrams were not the issue...it was the pinouts.
Dave



I didn't realize you had an automotive shop...

bmwguru APR 03, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by PC Oldskool:


I didn't realize you had an automotive shop...



yeah, just German cars....and my Fieros. I get a lot of compliments and insults from my customers about my Fieros...as for the insults, I add 10% to their bill..j/k
Dave
PC Oldskool APR 03, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by bmwguru:


yeah, just German cars....and my Fieros. I get a lot of compliments and insults from my customers about my Fieros...as for the insults, I add 10% to their bill..j/k
Dave



Ha! I would too.

I've got a 98 GLX VR6, in need of a rebuild (busted oil pan, oil starvation, now #1 rod bearing )

I'll hopefully start the rebuild next week. Still trying to gather parts...

I've always been a Fiero fan, since I had a remote controlled Fiero when I was in 1st grade. (Yes remote, not radio.... it had a cord from the controller to the car!) Combining a Fiero with a VR6 is such a great idea. I can't wait to see it with a turbo!

Are you building the turbo kit yourself?
bmwguru APR 03, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by PC Oldskool:


Are you building the turbo kit yourself?



YES. All the aftermarket kits are overpriced and not quite what I want. I'd have to lose the trunk to mount the turbo with THEIR kits. I figure that I can either go up or down with the turbo...just not back.

I spent a few hours today with the swap and tested the wiring. The dash lights up and the engine cranks, has spark, pulse and just needs a tank of gas. I still have many hours to go, but not that many until it runs. I still have to mount the gas pedal and make the harness to the junction for the fly by wire. I also eliminated the fusible links and replaced them with the Jetta battery fusebox which is basically fusible links in fuse form for the major components.
Dave
PC Oldskool APR 03, 04:57 PM
For your consideration: http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3741894
AP2k APR 03, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by bmwguru:


YES. All the aftermarket kits are overpriced and not quite what I want. I'd have to lose the trunk to mount the turbo with THEIR kits. I figure that I can either go up or down with the turbo...just not back.

I spent a few hours today with the swap and tested the wiring. The dash lights up and the engine cranks, has spark, pulse and just needs a tank of gas. I still have many hours to go, but not that many until it runs. I still have to mount the gas pedal and make the harness to the junction for the fly by wire. I also eliminated the fusible links and replaced them with the Jetta battery fusebox which is basically fusible links in fuse form for the major components.
Dave



Good to hear you are so close to firing it up!

Is the signal from the pedal just a variable voltage or is it coded?
bmwguru APR 03, 07:19 PM

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Originally posted by AP2k:


Good to hear you are so close to firing it up!

Is the signal from the pedal just a variable voltage or is it coded?



it is coded via the VAG software during the basic settings. I'm crossing my fingers hoping that the throttle body is good. If I remember correctly, I believe a new one is around $800. I have two more at the shop, so the odds one of them works is in my favor.
I'm hoping to have the car off the lift by this weekend.
I figure I still have about 20 hours left on this swap. Honestly, it isn't so bad this far, but the next phase will be a fun one.
The shifter didn't go as planned. The VW shifter didn't work, so I am stuck trying to modify the Fiero shifter. First off, the four speed cables were way too short, so I picked up a set of Isuzu cables from Rodney Dickman. Secondly, the select throw is reversed between the Fiero shifter and the VW transmission. So in other words, when I move the shifter left, the Fiero shifter pushes the cable towards the rear of the car. The VW trans needs it pulled. I thought the VW shifter would work (it does fit into the tunnel area), but it just doesn't without major mods that I feel are an unnecessary waste of time. Archie gave me the solution to my problem after I spent hours making different shifters not work. I'll post up more details after I finish putting the shifter together next week.
The reason why the VW shifter would have worked is that in the Jetta, the shifter is behind the trans and it grabs the trans from behind. In the Fiero the shifter is in front of the trans and grabs the trans from the front. No mods to the shifter are needed, just a different transmission bracket. It seemed easy on paper, but didn't work out.
Dave
ps....about the turbo....don't ever buy a used turbo unless you see it in person. I've never seen a good one come out of a private sale over the internet (except the German wrecking yards that have to give a warranty). Just my opinion....I'm sure you can find a good used turbo online, I just don't have that kind of luck.

[This message has been edited by bmwguru (edited 04-03-2008).]

PC Oldskool APR 04, 09:11 AM

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Originally posted by bmwguru:
The shifter didn't go as planned. The VW shifter didn't work, so I am stuck trying to modify the Fiero shifter. First off, the four speed cables were way too short, so I picked up a set of Isuzu cables from Rodney Dickman. Secondly, the select throw is reversed between the Fiero shifter and the VW transmission. So in other words, when I move the shifter left, the Fiero shifter pushes the cable towards the rear of the car. The VW trans needs it pulled. I thought the VW shifter would work (it does fit into the tunnel area), but it just doesn't without major mods that I feel are an unnecessary waste of time. Archie gave me the solution to my problem after I spent hours making different shifters not work. I'll post up more details after I finish putting the shifter together next week.
The reason why the VW shifter would have worked is that in the Jetta, the shifter is behind the trans and it grabs the trans from behind. In the Fiero the shifter is in front of the trans and grabs the trans from the front. No mods to the shifter are needed, just a different transmission bracket. It seemed easy on paper, but didn't work out.
Dave
ps....about the turbo....don't ever buy a used turbo unless you see it in person. I've never seen a good one come out of a private sale over the internet (except the German wrecking yards that have to give a warranty). Just my opinion....I'm sure you can find a good used turbo online, I just don't have that kind of luck.




Thanks for the advice on the turbo... yeah I would be weary about buying the turbo itself, but piecing together a used kit is always an option.

About the shifter (I know you said you found a solution, but you might want to check this out anyway...). I found a Mid Engine VR6 GTI build thread on the Vortex, and apparently they used lengthened cables with the VR6 shifter. HERE is a link to the page where they start working on the shifter/cables. Scroll down until you see pictures. I didn't get a time to search further, but I'm sure they gave an explanation. You might want to contact them for some information.

Good luck! I can't wait to see this beast on the road.

bmwguru APR 04, 09:54 AM
That's the mod I didn't want to do. They flipped the shifter select and still ran the cables from the back. I want a cleaner look and I want to run the cables from the front. Hopefully, it will work out the way that I want, but we'll cross that bridge next week. That is the only part of the swap that didn't pan out as expected. Oh well, it could have been worse
Dave