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bmwguru
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FEB 23, 08:12 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Ravant:
Now to ask a question.
What are the chances of any of the new DSG's fitting this engine in a swap of this nature? |
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it ll depends on how far someone would want to take it. Personally, I have a few more VW swaps up my sleeve. The DSG hasn't really crossed my mind. Yes it is a faster shifting tranny, but I like the old school stick better. I'm just not a fan of the paddle shift stuff....too girly for me. When I build a car, the first priority is making it fun to drive. Everything else comes second.
But, I'm sure that it can be done. When you transplant the drivetrain from a whole car, it is a lot eaier than trying to make the electronics work independantly from each other. Having a car with a CAN line is a lot better to work with when something fails.
Dave
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1987 GT (my toy-see above), 1987 GT (wife's toy), 1986 SE soon to be VR6, certified master technician/shop owner
www.njautobahn.com
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Richjk21
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FEB 23, 09:16 PM
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Too girly for me ........ said the guy with the gay orange car 
Right Joey 
All kidding aside... this is a pretty impressive swap.
Rich
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bmwguru
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FEB 23, 09:19 PM
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LMAO....
remind me to up the life insurance on my wife and personally thank her for making my five year project known as the gay orange Fiero.
It's all good, though.
Dave
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Richjk21
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FEB 23, 09:26 PM
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Let me know once you get the insurance squared away ... I know a guy
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anonymity
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FEB 23, 09:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Richjk21:
Too girly for me ........ said the guy with the gay orange car
Right Joey
All kidding aside... this is a pretty impressive swap.
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I'm so glad I that his 5 years of hard work is paying off..... And he thought it might have been known for the engine with the Webers Hahaha.
The VR6 swap is going smoothly, so far..... I would love to be able to drive my car soon.... gotta finish wiring and stuff maybe it'll be done by the time I get back from Louisiana trip in the end of March.
Joey
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anonymity
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FEB 23, 09:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Richjk21:
Let me know once you get the insurance squared away ... I know a guy |
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Excuuuuusssse meeeeee!!! LOL
I'll be doing the brakes on Dave's car soon.... Gee, I hope they'll work ok 
Joey
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Ravant
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FEB 23, 10:06 PM
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The more I look at this swap, the more enticing it becomes. It seems to be quite a bit of an easier time than the folks with the LNF and LSJ are having. Definitely unique, and definitely something to keep an eye on. I like the idea of a quick-shifting DSG, especially if I plan for a turbo, but don't like paddle-shifting up at the steering wheel. It's gotta be a tap-shift unit down at the gear selector, IMO. Shouldn't be too hard to fabricate, for a future idea. I've still not started any work towards an engine swap on my Fiero yet. Still up in the air around a V8, possibly the VR6 (now that it looks possible), or one of the Ecotec motors. Did you catch how much the VR6 and the stick shift weighed before installing it? That'd be a nice tidbit of info to leave available for people who may look to do a similar swap.
Also - how are you taking care of the shift pattern? Every time I see a transverse FWD system moved to our cars, the H-pattern seems reversed. Either I'm not looking hard enough, or it's a perplexing problem not enough people are taking care of. What's your method?[This message has been edited by Ravant (edited 02-23-2008).]
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bmwguru
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FEB 23, 10:15 PM
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The googled weight of the VR6, trans, wiring, accessories such as alternator etc is 575lbs.
The shift pattern of the 02J trans is reverse is up and to the left. Just like the Fiero four speed with one extra gear for fifth.
The biggest downside to this swap is the price. The APF engine goes for an average of over $2000 for one with 60k.I got lucky with the price of the whole car. Plus all the mods are about 4x the price of a 3800. So, to get 600whp, I'll need to invest about $12,000 into the drivetrain.....or keep parting out the Jetta as I go and then get another Jetta or GTI to part.....and so on.
Dave[This message has been edited by bmwguru (edited 02-23-2008).]
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Ravant
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FEB 23, 10:27 PM
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Thanks for the info. 
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FieroJimmy
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FEB 23, 10:44 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by bmwguru:
The googled weight of the VR6, trans, wiring, accessories such as alternator etc is 575lbs.
The shift pattern of the 02J trans is reverse is up and to the left. Just like the Fiero four speed with one extra gear for fifth.
The biggest downside to this swap is the price. The APF engine goes for an average of over $2000 for one with 60k.I got lucky with the price of the whole car. Plus all the mods are about 4x the price of a 3800. So, to get 600whp, I'll need to invest about $12,000 into the drivetrain.....or keep parting out the Jetta as I go and then get another Jetta or GTI to part.....and so on.
Dave
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The shift pattern problem he's talking about comes from the shifter cables approaching the trans from the "wrong" side of the engine. In the Jetta, the cables come from the rear of the mounted driveline, but in the Fiero, the cables come from the front. The result is the shift pattern is inverted (In this case, reverse would be where it is in the 5-speed Fiero, but 1st would be where 4th is.)
From looking at the pictures you've posted, I can't tell just how the cables are oriented on the trans, but it could be an issue to deal with.
Either you could get custom cables long enough to wrap around the engine bay and approach the driveline like it did in the Jetta, or it may be possible to re-work the linkage on the trans to allow the shift forks to move in the right direction.
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