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myfierogt MAY 14, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by GKDINC:

Oh the newbie's, if they would only do some research. Archie has been doing this longer than some of them have been on this earth.




Oh I see, since I am new to a Fiero forum I must be new to everything in life. Hilarity. I think fastback86 made a great point, I dont even have to add to it.
bubbajoexxx MAY 14, 11:12 PM
here is a pic of the head lights you may need


62 beatle headlamp are very simmilar

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Archie MAY 14, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by myfierogt:

How can anyone use the term "wannabe" and be building a Muira(fiero) at the same time? I find that hilarious.

Archie do you act like this towards anyone that doesnt share the same opinion of you?



Nope, I save my comments for the dumb butts on RFT who exaggerate & mis-state the facts for the sole purpose of bashing someone.

The "wannabe"s are the those that haven't done anything towards giving the outside world a positve impression of the Fiero & only seek to tear down the Fiero image by throwing hate at those that can & do build innovative Fieros and are showing the Fiero hobby in a more positive light to the outside world.


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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
On top of that, he only started doing chop tops a few years ago.



This is a great example of what I'm talking about.

He says "a few years", What's "a few" mean? 3 ?

It's actually been 10 years.

Just another example of RFT exaggeration of the facts to continue the hate. You see it everyday over there by people who don't care if what they say is accurate, they only care to spew more hate whatever it takes.


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Originally posted by Fastback 86:
"That's nice to hear, but it's the same as saying this run down old house is a-ok because it hasn't been condemned yet. The mere fact that other people are building unsafe cars doesn't make this one safe, just safer by comparison. However, in comparison to a stock Fiero spaceframe, it's probably not as safe. And again, if it's never going to see a city street, it's a moot point."

The fact that it's better than the original doesn't automatically make it safe. You've compromised all of the Fiero's crumple zones and weakened the roof structure. I'm sure it will work fine for driving around, but I wouldn't want to be in a crash in it any more than I would want to be in a crash in a real Miura.

And you're a fine one to talk about wanna-be's as you build a knock-off Lamborghini out of an admittedly poor kit.



The customer who owns this car is a member of this Forum & has been reading this thread. Unlike some who only read the pictures & can't be troubled to read the text before making negative comments about this build or any other build for that matter.

The customer has all the information that's in this thread plus about 100 more of the build photos & he's satisfied that the build is going just fine.

So your objection is duly noted. I'm sure you won't be in this car if it ever crashes, so you won't have to worry.

You can come back beat your chest "IF" the car ever falls apart. Until then go back to RFT where you fit in so well.

Excuse me now while I open up a case of "Who really cares what you think".

You have to watch a 15 second commercial but these videos will teach you a lot about the Miura.

You can find more info on the 2 Miura's owned by Jay Leno in Leno's garage.....

This is his Miura S http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=187641

Here is his Yellow P400, he tells you a lot about the chassis in this one http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=207082

Check it out, you might learn something.

Archie
TRiAD MAY 14, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by myfierogt:

How can anyone use the term "wannabe" and be building a Muira(fiero) at the same time? I find that hilarious.



I do, too...Isn't it great?

I'm SO glad Archie isn't one of those "professional" misfits who says an awful lot, but doesn't actually get anything done - like you guys would have him be.

No, Archie gets things done, and makes no apologies for it. The fact that he's been doing it longer than anyone else around, and does the best work out there, just happens to be a bonus.

~M
Jefrysuko MAY 15, 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by Archie:
Check it out, you might learn something.



Thanks for the links. Jay sure did explain allot about the engineering of the car especially the chassis. I liked his comment about the A-pillars "I just liked this period because design ruled everything...no extra thick thing here (pointing to A-pillar) in case you rolled over. If you roll over it's your fault and your an IDIOT"

Edit to correct the quote

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TRiAD MAY 15, 12:59 AM
Yeah, those Miuras were the most beautiful car ever penned, but they didn't hold up well to running into tractors, lol!

http://vodpod.com/watch/446...alian-job-intro-1969

...The Stelvio Pass, a little Matt Monroe, and a Miura...Perfection!

~M

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Fastback 86 MAY 15, 02:10 AM

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Originally posted by Archie:

This is a great example of what I'm talking about.

He says "a few years", What's "a few" mean? 3 ?

It's actually been 10 years.

Just another example of RFT exaggeration of the facts to continue the hate. You see it everyday over there by people who don't care if what they say is accurate, they only care to spew more hate whatever it takes.



You'll have to pardon me if I don't have the precise history of your company committed to memory, it's not a significant piece of information to me. I go to all the trouble to lay out serious concerns and the best you can do is quibble over the exact number of years you've been chopping tops?


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The customer who owns this car is a member of this Forum & has been reading this thread. Unlike some who only read the pictures & can't be troubled to read the text before making negative comments about this build or any other build for that matter.

The customer has all the information that's in this thread plus about 100 more of the build photos & he's satisfied that the build is going just fine.

So your objection is duly noted. I'm sure you won't be in this car if it ever crashes, so you won't have to worry.

You can come back beat your chest "IF" the car ever falls apart. Until then go back to RFT where you fit in so well.

Excuse me now while I open up a case of "Who really cares what you think".

You have to watch a 15 second commercial but these videos will teach you a lot about the Miura.

You can find more info on the 2 Miura's owned by Jay Leno in Leno's garage.....

This is his Miura S http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=187641

Here is his Yellow P400, he tells you a lot about the chassis in this one http://www.jaylenosgarage.c...yer.shtml?vid=207082

Check it out, you might learn something.

Archie



What is it that makes you think that I want you to fail? I've made a point to compliment your work and offer constructive criticism along with my concerns and you accuse me of being an illiterate hater who's sole drive in life is to make up reasons to bash you. Why? Because I post on RFT? Oh no! Some one call the authorities! Guild by association has never been a valid argument. Read up on it, you might learn something. http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

I watched the videos, and I'm really not sure what point you're trying to make. Basically, you just proved my points. Jay says in the videos that they're essentially unsafe cars in an accident, they had little structural rigidity and that they were only produced until the government instituted safety standards. Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? Congratulations, you've taken a very safe car and turned it into an unsafe one. I hope the owner never has to find out just how unsafe it's become. I also found it rather ironic that the 15 second commercial was one extolling the 137 safety features of the Saturn Vue. You're still falling back on the same flawed argument that because the original car was unsafe, it's ok to make this car unsafe. Two wrongs don't make a right.

So thank you for wasting a lot of time. I believe I said in my original post that "if it's going to be a show car and rarely driven in the street, it's probably not a big deal." I even clarified it in my next post by saying that "it's a moot point," so I'm really wondering why we're having this conversation. I was just curious if the owner was concerned about crash safety. You responded with a nice, professional answer and I accepted it and all was well. Then, you decided you needed to take ambiguous pot shots at me for some reason. To what end? What are you trying to prove? That I post on RFT? Big deal, lots of people do. As you said, I won't have to worry if the car is ever in an accident, so why are you so concerned with my safety questions? Is it because you don't have good answers for them, or is it because you've become so hyper sensitive about RFT trolls that you go straight into attack mode when someone has questions about your work? Excuse me for worrying about your customer's safety, I didn't realize how little you cared about it yourself.
TRiAD MAY 15, 04:21 AM
What an intelligent response.

You need to ask yourself; do you wish to be a productive member here, or are you only trying to stir things up?

If it's the latter, you need to go somewhere else.
Emc209i MAY 15, 05:30 AM
Productivity and recklessness don't go well together. I'd hate to be in that car should it flip. But then again there are cars that are just as hazardous, such as convertibles.
TRiAD MAY 15, 06:19 AM
OK, meat and potaters time...Are you a structural engineer? How many vehicular chassis have you personally designed and/or built? Are you intimately familiar with Archie's modifications on this project?

Yes, what we're getting to is: other than your gut feeling, what makes you qualified to make that call?

~M