Pantera parts ! (Page 13/75)
opm2000 OCT 29, 10:26 PM
Now that's a link, Cheever !

There's a lot going on in this pic. The interface of the rear clip, with the stock aft roofline of the notchback Fiero. And the Pantera gills are removed, and scoops are installed. The sailpanel was made by FieroSails, after a meeting at Ed's Swapmeet this spring. Very nice work. With a tiltback, the scoop has to be shortened a bit, as seen here, and the sailpanel has an "ear" to fill the void.

Not the greatest image, but it shows the items mentioned above wtih the rear clip raised.

Here I'm trying to show you what kind of space you have to access the trunk. I wouldn't want to put a flat tire in the trunk from this angle, but it can be done. Other, more usual items are easily put in & out of the trunk. It is not as accessable as with a stock Fiero, but it deffinately is usable. Of course if it's a big issue, ditch the tilt clip and build the stock Pantera rear clip, with more normal trunk access.

The limit chain, which holds the rear clip. Clever idea, but I think a hydraulic strut, or an electric/hydraulic trunk opener would be great here.

This is how the Fiero rear clip is cut and used. We cut it a bit oversized, and will fine tune it so it matches the drip rail line.

The trunk skin is removed, for eventual bonding to the rear clip. If you like, I think the skin can stay on, but there is a weight savings by removing it. The trunk section is cut from the power hump section, and the trunk section is bonded to the rear clip. Neat.

rverhalen NOV 01, 07:52 PM
Waiting for a Pantero Kit 4000.00 plus
Waiting to get the new larger wheels (unknow value yet)
Already having your Geo Tracker taillights in pristine condition for free Priceless....

Can you tell I am sooooooooooooooo ready for this kit and adding a turbo to the car?

Just send over more pictures to my email address and we can go from there!

Thanks
Robert Ver Halen
rverhalen@triad.rr.com
336-462-1040

datacop NOV 01, 09:20 PM
I was over at Dave's house last weekend to get the tools to jack up our car and stuffs..

Looked over the molds he had, chop gun he's using, and the parts he's producing in his shop.. I HAVE to tell you guys.. the finish product that this man is producing is SECOND to NONE!! The detail in the molds is incredible. The prep work in producing a class one finish on those molds is amazing.

The finished pieces that he pulls out of the molds are so high quality.. they look like they require almost NO prep work for finish. It is truly amazing to see such high quality fiberglass pieces being produced first hand.

If I had the extra cash.. this is the kit I would buy, if only because of the care that I see Dave putting into each one of his layups.

blackrams NOV 01, 09:32 PM
Datacop,
You are so right! Dave is a true craftsman.

My Pantero project car was on the trailer this weekend and towed to Gene's place for the 4.9 install, just as soon as he's done, on with the body. Hopefully it will be ready for some of the shows this summer.

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Ron
aka: Blackrams

VISCERAL NOV 14, 08:37 PM
updates?
blackrams NOV 16, 05:04 AM
Visceral,
My project car, (88 Coupe) is currently getting the 4.9 conversion, so Dave is busy building more parts. He's gotten the process down to a fine point, his qork is first rate and he's producing some fine looking fiberglass parts.
Once the engine install is complete, then we'll start mounting the body on the car. I believe this is the best way to do this. I can just see lots of dinged up fiberglass if I did it the other way. Will post pics just as soon as we have something worthy of posting. Thanks for your interest.

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Ron
aka: Blackrams Fieros

eunospeed NOV 16, 08:10 AM
I've been lucky enough to see all this stuff first hand and Blackrams is right, everything is looking very nice! The kit is going to be sweet and look real nice on the Fiero platform. Can't wait to see how the motor swap is going.
opm2000 NOV 16, 07:59 PM
I've started making the molds for the wheel flares shown earlier. These flares are the type which are fairly small (as compared to the GT5 or GTS type) and they were originally meant to be riveted onto the body. At first that sounds sort of crazy, but I've actually seen several pics of both street car and racing Panteras with the flares nicely riveted on. Go figure.

I saw them as easily reproduced factory style flares that could be sanded down along the edges and faired into the body by the builder to give a nicer look. I personally like their size, they are quite an enhancement over the standard flares on the original body. I will most likely use these type flares on my own Pantera build.

But along the way, I decided to take a break from things and try making up a set of flares, inspired by the GT5 or GTS style. How they will turn out will no doubt be a custom size and shape, but you understand where the inspiration comes from.

Here, a fence is constructed to hold the 2 part foam which is to be poured into the wheel flare area.

And here is the foam a day later. This type of foam does not react with the poly resin, and it shapes easily. If you tried making foam cores for your fiberglass projects and found that the foam did wierd stuff like melting when you applied resin, you had the wrong foam. After mixing and pouring small batches of foam, wait a day and then have at it. Tools of choice here are a hack saw, a very coarse broad rasp, a surform, a sanding block, 30 grit and 80 grit paper. Somewhere in there is a shape, we just have to let it out:>

And here is a shape begining to emerge after removing most of the foam that was poured.

The trick in this exercise is to see if I can make both sides look alike. Maybe not. Anyhow, after rough shaping, the foam will be coated with bondo and the surface brought down to a very smooth finish. In these photos, we are nowhere near that step.

David Breeze

mrfixit58 NOV 17, 10:16 AM
Very cool. I love the "how to" threads.

Keep up the great work,
Roy

opm2000 NOV 21, 08:23 PM
A small update on the "2nd generation" wheel flares:

The first flare was poured and rough shaped, as seen above. The opposite side flare was poured and allowed to set overnight. I needed to do two things next: establish a constant reference for shaping both flares,....and establish the wheel well opening in a straight & level condition. The cardboard fence was made to bow inwards a bit to assure there would be foam to work with. But now the excess has to be removed and the wheel well established.

Both items were accomplished by indexing the inside edges of both wheel wells, and laying a straight edge along the index marks. This quickly identifys where there is too much foam, so you just sand it away, and it leaves you with two new wheel wells that are straight & level. These become the reference for all shaping from here out.

I now made a sieres of marks 2" out from the stock wheel well, and trimmed the outside edges of the new wheelwells. Now we are ready to begin shaping the outside.

Since the wheel well has been reshaped, I did some fine tuning sanding of the first flare, getting it as close to what I wanted as the foam allows. Now I indexed the outside of the fender to establish reference points for shaping the second flare. These x/y axis marks allow me to locate points where the flare meets the fender, and to transfer those points to the other side. Note the dip in the upper front edge of the flare. This could be filled with foam, but I'll catch it with the bondo stage, later.

So, the other side was indexed and rough shaped. The fine tuning requires lots of rechecking the index measurements and just plain old looking at one side, then the other. Anyhow, we took it outside and gave it one more close look and fine tuning.

Now we are ready to apply a thin skin of bondo. This will fill the pores of the foam and allow even finer smooth sanding, and will help highlight any high or low spots, not visible on the foam.

David Breeze

[This message has been edited by opm2000 (edited 11-21-2004).]