Northstar rebuild: Will style (Page 114/119)
Will DEC 11, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by fieroguru:

Phonedawgz website has his phone #.

RedDevilRiver.com



I've emailed at the email address on that site, which is common to his profile here. It had slipped my mind that he has a phone number there. I guess that's next.

The tach board looks interesting, if it's actually available.
FastIndyFiero JAN 19, 05:43 PM
I reached out to FieroX, I'll see if I can get his contact info to you.
Trinten JAN 19, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by fieroguru:

Phonedawgz website has his phone #.

RedDevilRiver.com



I called the number on his site on January 3rd, got his voicemail which said he returns calls within 24-48 hours. Left a message with my information, hadn't heard back.
Will JUN 08, 06:54 AM

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Originally posted by Will:

Lol... I wish. It's been a heavy summer & autumn.
In June I was in LA for two weeks for work, causing problems for Elon at SpaceX.
In July I had Covid and didn't have my voice back for pretty much the whole month
In August I was on Navy orders for 2 weeks
In September I was back in LA, causing more problems
In October I was going through the process of changing jobs
In November I was on Navy orders for another 2.5 weeks.
All the while trying to make progress on my kitchen remodel

Fortunately I have my final board for my big Navy qualification next week (I hope the Skipper's calendar holds for that) so that should free up time and head space to get back to the Northstar.

I have been able to steal a couple of full days to work on my spreadsheet of wire lists and harness bill of materials, which is almost complete. I learned a bunch of new spreadsheet-fu figuring out how to do that.

Anyway... I'm pretty sure I can get back to The Mule in January. I need to finish up my spreadsheet and order all the connector parts and wiring materials.



Back in action...
So I was wrong about January. What else is new?


I challenged myself to write a spreadsheet (actually using google sheets) that can turn my wire list directly into an orderable BOM.
I did that successfully... I'll probably share the spreadsheet soon, if for no other reason than to show off my code

There are 58 line items totaling 77 connector bodies and 56 line items totaling 513 terminals. I used the Mouser BOM preparation tool to build a "project" spreadsheet, then sent that out for quote to Mouser and Custom Connector Kits. CCK quoted a majorative subset at $177 for which Mouser wanted $275, so I went with CCK for that subset. The remaining 16 line items went to Mouser for $87.
There are a few things that neither company could get. I spec'd a splice saver connector for G202, along with a shorting plug with integral ring terminal. That shorting plug showed a >1 year lead time from Aptiv, but via the magic of the internet I found a third vendor with a small stash. I ordered 1 for $1, but then they added the small order fee to bring it up to $10 anyway
I also found 1 vendor with 1 C500 connector body... for $50. Oh well, at least I'll have it.

I have not been able to source the ECM connectors. I need to try a little harder to find them on the internet. They are Molex MX123 family, but customized part numbers sold only to GM. The terminals are common and included in my initial order; only the connector bodies are difficult to get.

In copying GM's color codes, I ended up with 82 combinations of wire gauge, color and stripe. ProWire sells solid and striped TXL wire and I could have ordered all of those combos. They sell solid color wire in basically 1ft increments, while striped wire comes with a 100ft minimum and is ~50% more expensive per foot than solid color wire. I reorganized the color codes and found a few circuits with larger wire than they needed, ending up with 34 combinations of gauge and color, using only solid colors. I estimated the length I'd need based on the number of circuits for each combo and whether the circuits were long or short and placed the order. That came to ~$165 shipped.

So I'm pretty much at $500 in materials for the harness and still have to get a couple of things.

FieroGuru and Sinister both recommended 2007 Impala accelerator pedal assembly. That's available on RockAuto for $80ish.

Many years ago I got started on a firewall reinforcement plate to install between the pedal box and the firewall. It's meant to mitigate firewall flex at high pedal loads, thereby improving brake modulability. I can finish that design and weld coupling nuts to the plate at specific locations in order to both mount the pedal assembly AND incorporate a clutch pedal stop, which I will need, at least initially, for the dual disk clutch.

I have drill this weekend, but should be able to start crimping pins the weekend of 6/17.

Edit: Since I'm using the USCAR/EV6 injectors from the LC3 Supercharged Northstar, I need the appropriate connectors on the manifold harness. They're easy to get, but I haven't found part numbers for them yet. Of course I want the part numbers to add to my wire list so it's actually complete. I was looking through the service manual for my 2006 van for another item and happened across mention of Yazaki two pin connectors that looked suspiciously like EV6/USCAR injector connectors. Are USCAR injector connectors, ironically, Yazaki?

[This message has been edited by Will (edited 06-08-2023).]

Trinten JUN 08, 03:57 PM
Hey Will,

For the injectors - do you mean you're looking for this part?

GM Original Equipment ACDELCO PT3765 - injector connector for a 2008 Caddy STS-V, which I think came with the engine you referenced (I know both are supercharged)

List of alternate part numbers and pictures:

https://www.rockauto.com/en...ector+connector,2577

Will JUN 08, 08:16 PM

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Originally posted by Trinten:

Hey Will,

For the injectors - do you mean you're looking for this part?

GM Original Equipment ACDELCO PT3765 - injector connector for a 2008 Caddy STS-V, which I think came with the engine you referenced (I know both are supercharged)

List of alternate part numbers and pictures:

https://www.rockauto.com/en...ector+connector,2577



Those are the right pigtails, but I'll get the bare connector kits, like this:

Trinten JUN 08, 08:52 PM
Got it -- I think this is the right terminal kit?

https://lswiring.com/collec...-connector-kit-6-ev6

Will JUN 09, 05:03 AM

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Originally posted by Trinten:

Got it -- I think this is the right terminal kit?

https://lswiring.com/collec...-connector-kit-6-ev6



That's correct. To clarify, it's not that I had problems finding the kits... I just haven't found the part numbers. Also, I haven't tried all that hard since I've had other things to deal with.

I *did* just realize, based on the fact that the page you linked calls the connector out as GT150, that the Delphi Connection Systems Global Catalog has a page of cross-references to USCAR standard connectors.
Will JUN 24, 10:29 AM
Got a bunch of pins crimped last weekend!

I was off to a slow start because of having to organize everything required for this new phase of work, as well as digging up old parts--like the scratch-built A/C compressor fitting--that had been in boxes for months or longer.

Boxes of wires, connector parts and terminals:




Hello, my pretty... you're looking ravenous today




Apparently I need "extended reach" P-clamps to secure the harness in the manner that works in my head.




These are a pain, so naturally I have four of them:




First connector clicked!




Also trying to make the routing work like it does in my head:




Have just a few more line items to work through




CS130 alternator receptacle




And the plug on the harness side... that doesn't really look like it's the right one, but is.




The state I achieved at the end of the weekend:







Obvi there's a lot more to do. Most of the wires are in place on the left side of the engine, but there's nothing on the other end of any of those wires. I measured routing inside the The Mule from the firewall pass-through to the C203 and similar, then estimated the engine bay run from the firewall pass-through down to the valve cover rail and over to my first P-clamp. I just ran all the wires to that clamp and then 40" beyond, then cut them. That should be enough to finish the harness inside the cabin.
Of course I also need to dress the bundles, which I'll do with DR-25 shrink tube. Next time I'm working on the harness, I'll start a list of DR-25 sizes and lengths to order. I can probably just start off with 50' of 1/4" for all the 2-3 wire bundles there are, and work up from there to shorter lengths of larger sizes.
I'll need to work on the main harness bundles that go to the coils next time, which will require me to figure out the best & cleanest way to get the main harness across the valley, as well as breaking out the branch that goes to the C500.

I found I had two orange wires for the fuel pump going to the oil pressure sender/switch (Reference Designator: OPS/S). Thinking about this for a moment, I decided that since the fuel pump fuse is hot-at-all-times (HAAT), the feed from that fuse should be red, while the switched side of the OPS/S & fuel pump relay should be orange. I don't know why GM made the "upstream" side of that circuit orange, but they did. I did not previously have red 16ga in my wire list, so I have to order a bit now.

The GT150 female 3 cavity inline connector for the oil level switch/oil temp sender does not have ANY cavity numbers on it that I've found. Of course it does have "Delphi" printed on it. I guess those are the company priorities. No wonder they went bankrupt.

Harness to do:
Order RED-16 wire
Order RED-8 wire
Order connector seal for alternator connector
Connect RED-16 wire to OPS/S-D
Build Alternator output wire
Oil level switch/temp sensor pinout (Pick one and drive forward; if it's wrong switch later)
Compressor clutch pinout (which side is which? Correct connector?)(Pick one and drive forward; if it's wrong switch later)
ALT-I & ALT-L down from 18 to 22ga wire?
Find/Source/Order ECM connector bodies
Rework manifold harness to support C527 harness bundle routing

General build to do:
Order 2007 Impala accelerator pedal assembly
Order 2006 Corvette O2 sensors
Order 1995 Cadillac A/C compressor
Will JUL 23, 08:02 PM
I had a busy weekend, but only a little of it working on The Mule.

I read that the 3 cavity GT150 connector for the oil level switch and temp sensor had the cavity numbers marked in even tinier print than the Delphi logo... That was accurate, but jeeze, how are we supposed to see that?



I had the end wires reversed, so I swapped them.

My 8ga red, 6ga red and DR-25 was waiting for me, so I cut the 8ga to length and should be able to get the ring terminals crimped soon. I installed the 16ga red to the oil pressure sender/switch as the feed wire for fuel pump power.
Then I slipped DR-25 over all the small bundles.

Observations for bundle size vs DR-25 size.

2x 16ga: 3/16 minimum
2x 22ga: 3/16 normal
3x 22ga: 3/16 normal
2x16ga + 2x22ga: 1/4 minimum

Couple more views of the wiring coming together: