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dobey
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AUG 09, 08:00 PM
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Are you planning to add in a BCM to enable cruise? Or are you going to try to use the TBSS configuration and wire cruise directly in the ECM?
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fieroguru
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AUG 10, 09:23 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Trinten: Have you thought about going that extra-step and doing the adaptive cruise control?
Things are looking pretty nice! I wish my garage was that organized! |
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Adaptive cruise control isn't on the list, just a basic setup that will maintain a constant speed. I can still slow down to avoid hitting the car in front while waiting for room in the next lane to pass. I guess its easy to have an organized garage when 1/2 the stuff isn't in it! One of these days I might post a pic of all the stuff that is still in my 10 x 40 storage unit.
| quote | Originally posted by dobey: Are you planning to add in a BCM to enable cruise? Or are you going to try to use the TBSS configuration and wire cruise directly in the ECM? |
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Neither...
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dobey
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AUG 10, 09:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by fieroguru: Neither... |
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Well, now I'm definitely interested.
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Jims88
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AUG 14, 11:54 PM
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Wow the garage looks great, so clean and organized. Cruise control.....
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fieroguru
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AUG 16, 07:20 PM
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I was able to get a few hours in the garage this weekend, so I pulled the car in and yanked out the console, instrument cluster and dash to do some work.
 My ABS headliner from Fiero Store is also here, but I need all to pull all the rest of the trim panels out of storage before I mess with it. I did pick up some peal & seal to cover the top side with to help cut down on plastic squeaks. I am planning to install it w/o any foam/fabric and just the plastic textured surface.

First order of business, was the instrument cluster. The ground circuit is weak in the plastic circuit, so everything works until you turn on the back lighting, then you lose the tach and fuel level, and a couple other interesting things happen. All my spare clusters are buried in storage, so I figured I would run some additional ground wires soldered to the metal terminal plates to help support the ground load. Then these wires will be grounded to one of the bolts on the steering column.
I am working towards a cruise solution through 2 separate methods.
METHOD 1: a $350 module that plugs into the pedal, OBD2 port, and wire up 1 switched power wire. It intercepts the pedal voltage back to the ECM and adjusts the voltage signal to speed the car up/down. It gets the brake signal and VSS input through the OBD2 port (GM LAN) and includes the control knob for all the cruise function. Its super simple to hook up, but I am still in the debug process with the vendor. Per their troubleshooting manual, all 4 pedal wires at the controller should be 4V and mine are 2V and 5V. They normally use the TBSS pedal and it is one number different. With this module hooked up, the car immediately goes into limp mode and it kills function to the pedal. The vendor is debugging this on their end. I sent them resistance readings on my pedal at fully released and WOT and a copy of my tune so they could look for differences in it... If they don't get something figured out soon, I will likely return it.
METHOD 2. AR Digital cruise module like used is many 3800 swaps. The only signal it needs from the ECM is the 4000ppm and I am already using the 4000 ppm output from the E67 to drive my speedo (and the 88 Speedo has a 4000 PPM output too). The rest of the wiring is pretty basic, especially since it will be mounted in the passenger compartment. The AR cruise module uses a cable to pull the throttle blade open, but I don't have any throttle bracket on the TB (and the ecm probably wouldn't like seeing it move w/o matching movement from the pedal). So I want to use this cable to actuate the pedal for cruise. When the car needs to speed up, the pedal needs to be pressed, to slow down, it needs to be released.
So fab time... My garage doesn't have a 220V outlet, plus my welder is at my brothers 45 miles away and I haven't got setup for welding gas bottle here... So I used a 10% off coupon and purchased a ProMig 140 from Lowes. It is the baby brother to my other welder (ProMig 175), but it will get the job done... even with flux core wire.

The cruise module pulls the cable to speed up, so I needed a bracket that would pull the pedal towards the floor. So I fabbed up an extension to the top of the pedal and a cable mounting bracket that comes off the stock 2 bolts for mounting the stock fiero gas pedal. There is slack built into the bracket as you can see here with the pedal fully released.



Here is a video of the motion of the cable as the pedal is cycled from fully released to WOT and back a few times.
Mounted in the car:

Routing of the cruise control cable:

General placement of the AR Cruise Module:

If I can find a shorter cable, I might try to mount it in the center console in front of the shifter:

The main concern I have about the AR Cruise Module method, and the reason the level arm is quite long is the gain... cable movement vs. delta in speed. It needs to barely move the pedal to get a response (2800 lb car, 90mm tb, and non-linear movement between pedal and throttle body). That is why I made a 2nd lower mounting hole if I need to speed it up. If need be, I can also re-calibrate the pedal % pressed to TB % open in the 70-80 MPH cruise range to help dial it in.
Not much is going to happen for the next few days. I will be traveling to NYC on Tues, returning on Wed. Next weekend I have a company picnic to attend, but may be able to get some stuff done.[This message has been edited by fieroguru (edited 08-16-2015).]
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Jims88
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AUG 16, 08:57 PM
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fieroguru
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AUG 17, 08:04 AM
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I didn't buy the module from Dakota Digital, but mine is very similar (same control box minus the artwork), but with a different button pod. I will try and get some pics this evening.
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dobey
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AUG 17, 04:40 PM
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Interesting. Not what I'd do, but interesting. I tend to be skeptical of things that require plugging into or tapping the data wires, for the OBD-II ALDL port to work. And for the reasons you already mentioned, I don't think I'd pursue using a cable driven cruise control (a cable connected to the gas pedal is how the cruise in the mid-90s Hondas works though, but they don't have DBW).
With an e67 ECM, I'd probably try to do the TBSS style and wire the stalk controls to the ECM. Not sure how I'm going to solve cruise on my build with the e38 ECM yet though.
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fieroguru
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AUG 23, 05:53 PM
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I temporarily installed the cluster again to verify the new ground wires fixed the issues, and I am happy to report they did!
I also was able to layer the inside of the head liner and interior panels with peal & seal from Lowes:


Also, added a layer of sound deadening material (like I use in engine bays) to the recessed hole where the sun roof would go it this car still had one. I am hoping that all this work helps reduce the wind noise and makes the interior quieter.

Headliner back in, but I am waiting on new clips from Fiero Store to install the A & B pillar trim and some new sunvisors (all of my spare ones are buried somewhere...)

Not much progress on the cruise front. Here is a pick of the plug & play unit (very similar to the Dakota Digital one):

The guy who was supposed to look at my tune for options for the GM LAN cruise module, didn't get around to it this week and is on vacation next week. On the AR Module front, I am hoping to find time to work on the harness and relays this coming week. If I can get that done some evening after work, then I might be able to install/test it next weekend.
As with anytime I pull this car apart, project scope creep sets in. While I have the dash out, I might as well install the harness for power windows, power window doors, new/faster power window motors, and slightly better carpet... I will likely still drive the car w/o dash since the instrument cluster is back installed... Now that I have the interior parts about done, I can take the other spares back to storage and pick up the doors.
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katatak
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AUG 24, 06:54 PM
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Wow - I've been "absent" for a few months. Got the bug to work on my LS4 swap so first things first - catch up on Guru's thread. Very glad to see that you have a temp place to do the Fiero thing. Hope all is well with you and your family......
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