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Spoon
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SEP 27, 10:13 PM
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I came across this video about oil filters, the good, the bad and the ugly.
Your comments welcome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTNJLEV8CG8
Spoon
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cvxjet
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SEP 27, 11:51 PM
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Back around 2000, the guys at Hot Boat found out about Fram filters- Allied Signal bought up the company and decontented the filters- Thinned the metal canisters- so they would burst- a bunch of guys ruined engines back then over this!
Some guy on the web did testing of the different filters- metal thickness, number of pleats, magnet incorporated, etc. There were a number of good filters- but the one I decided to always use was AC/Delco; They don't make a cheap one and an expensive one- Only the good one! (And yes, I know that at some point they may go down the tube also! (Purolator Pure one and Wix were the other two that were good)
I just watched your video, but what I typed above here I typed BEFORE watching- I HATE Fram! Won't buy anything from them- nor their parent company Allied Signal- The CG Dolphin Helicopter originally used Allied Signal engines- when they changed engines they RAN away from Allied Signal! Big Conglomerate (CRAP!!!) company.....[This message has been edited by cvxjet (edited 09-28-2019).]
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OldGuyinaGT
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SEP 28, 01:41 AM
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IMO there are several good oil filters available; my personal preference is WIX. I use the WIX XP #51036 on both my '88 GT (stock 2.8L) and my 2000 Blazer 4.3L. But I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep for using an AC Delco or Purolator PureOne filter or a couple others. I am not a Fram fan and I also avoid store brands.
But AC Delco DOES make more than one grade of oil filter. For this part number equivalent, there is the PF52 Professional and the UPF52 UltraGuard. On Amazon, a PF52 goes for about $3.35 while the UPF52 goes for about $6.77. According to AC Delco:
FEATURES & BENEFITS (PF series)
The nylon core of the ACDelco Professional Oil filters are engineered with filtration to capture particulates as small as 30 microns.
Has a lubricity gasket for reduced installation torque.
Has a full cover baseplate for easy installation in blind applications.
Has a nylon core for high strength and great flow characteristics.
ACDelco Professional Oil Filter nylon core is one and half times stronger than filters with metal cores.
Synthetic end caps are ultrasonically welded to help prevent media blocked by adhesives used in traditional filters.
FEATURES & BENEFITS (UPF series)
Equipped with 98% multi-pass filtering efficiency at 25-30 microns for outstanding filtering capabilities
Designed to withstand five times greater force than most engine operating pressures (as long as the normal engine oil operating pressure is not greater than 51psi)
Has a thermosetting adhesive seal to keep filtering media in place for dependable performance
For street-only applications like mine, I'm not sure how much some of this matters. But I always use any of a few name brand full synthetic oils and what I perceive to be very good filters. I may not have to spend as much as I do but I think it's cheap insurance.
Just edited this post to add that in fairness, at present, AC Delco doesn't list very many part numbers in the UPF series. I don't know if that will change.[This message has been edited by OldGuyinaGT (edited 09-28-2019).]
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theogre
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SEP 28, 03:33 AM
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ACDelco uses cheap filters too. All are made under contract to a winning low bidder. IOW the one that offer cheapest filters to ACDelco.
A few year ago they had a bid again because most filters change a lot Like Current PF-52 change nearly everything. Dig thru the archives here.
Allied Signal has been gone for 20 years ago. Bought out Honeywell and only that name is used.
Fram has nothing to do w/ Honeywell.
Fram Brand is Fram Group IP LLC a division of AutoParts Holdings Limited that also owns Prestone and Autolite. That company is owned by an affiliate of Rank Group Ltd, a New Zealand based private equity firm according to Moody's.
People claiming Fram and several others = Junk have no proof. Just cutting w/o a clue and claiming every BS statement possible to make Click Bait pages and YT videos to generate Money. Above Video isn't only or first to do this.
Anyone saying Fram has "Cardboard" ends have no clue what the ends are really made of. Many Fiber reinforce resins are very tough and can be same or tougher then steel. Bakelite and other Phenolics have been used in so many things including brake pistons. Oh I forget, Most fools think they are instant crap too. Worse, try to stuff steel pistons to replace them and many more brake problems.
People claiming they burst the can etc blame the "cheap filter" and never check Oil Pressure and other problem(s) In the engine. Only a few brands can handle 80-100psi or higher. Many, not just "cheap Fram," show signs of pressure overload at 60 to 70 psi before they fail at higher OP. Yet most Engines live in 30 to 45psi range unless has a problem or some fool installs HP or HV pumps that most engines can't handle. Think a Blown filter is bad? Many engine have plugs to seal drill holes for oil to go thru and hydraulics can push out them worse when system is over pressured. Most are same plugs as small "Freeze Plugs" and then often staked too just to keep the plug in w/ just normal OP. Example: If you blow out one oil plug in the Duke... Your doing a timing set job to fix it because is Behind the cam gear.
You think Fram makes crap? You never worked at Jiffy Lube and other quick lube places.
Purolator and other oil filters you get at most of these chains are made way cheaper then anything you get from AZ and almost every other retail parts stores. Even Cheapest Mart stores w/ own store brand filters are better.------------------
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IXSLR8
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SEP 28, 05:03 AM
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I had an odd oil pressure failure last year at 65 mph on the freeway coming home from work at 10:30pm.
I was driving home and heard a pop sound and my oil pressure light came on which caused me to look at my mechanical oil pressure gauge which was registering zero pressure. Shut the motor off immediately and coasted to the side of the freeway. Called my son and he came and picked me up.
Borrowed a trailer the next morning and picked up the vehicle. I started it up for a short time and it had oil pressure! What? How can that be? So, I drove it up on the trailer and then no oil pressure. I figured that I had broken the oil pump shaft or my balancer shaft which runs the oil pump in an early VW diesel. Took the oil pump out and it was fine. No broken shaft or gears. So, out of caution, I replaced the oil pump and still had the remaining oil pressure problem. The balancer shaft was fine too. The only other thing was the oil filter. So, I replaced my oil filter and the problem was solved. This has never happened to me before.
Guess what oil filter brands I've been using? That's right, Fram and Purelator. The oragne filter, the Fram one, was the one that failed. I don't trust Fram anymore after that experience.
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olejoedad
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SEP 28, 06:52 AM
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WIX or NAPA Gold
Dont buy anything else.
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fierofool
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SEP 28, 08:22 AM
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My local NAPA store told me their Gold filter was made by either Wix or Purolator. It's been a while, so I don't remember which.
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olejoedad
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SEP 28, 09:05 AM
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WIX makes the NAPA filter.
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fierosound
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SEP 28, 01:40 PM
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Kevin87FieroGT
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OCT 02, 09:12 PM
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