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Notorio
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NOV 02, 05:29 PM
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According to Chris it can be any manual it doesn't have to be the 'matched' transmission. I think this is b/c on the automatic the PCM looks for sensor data from the trans and issues commands but for the manual it doesn't so whether it is the same manual or not it doesn't matter to them. I guess this makes some sense after all b/c their goal is to have the engine and trans combination more or less polluting as it was in the donor car. If the PCM is looking for the transmission and its not there it must freak out and set flags that cause the car to fail.
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 02, 11:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
According to Chris it can be any manual it doesn't have to be the 'matched' transmission. I think this is b/c on the automatic the PCM looks for sensor data from the trans and issues commands but for the manual it doesn't so whether it is the same manual or not it doesn't matter to them. I guess this makes some sense after all b/c their goal is to have the engine and trans combination more or less polluting as it was in the donor car. If the PCM is looking for the transmission and its not there it must freak out and set flags that cause the car to fail. |
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For the most part, this is true. Keep in mind that some speed sensors in manual transmissions may require some sort of electronic converter so the ECM can read the speed input AND it will most likely need a speed calibration as well. Then there are the odd manual transmissions that require lock outs and other computer sensors and controles. So not all transmissions will work.
As far as emissions controls go, IF the transmission came from the factory with such related electronics, manual or automatic,..they will be required for the engine transplant certificate.
For example, my LS2 GTO has a manual transmission, this transmission came with a "skip shift" mechanism. By the letter of the law, a smog Reff could fail the certification if the new transmission does not have the skip shift. So to swap a 2006 GTO manual engine in a Fiero, you would need to find a transverse transmission with skip shift, which does not exist. So legally the swap can not be done in California. BUT, fortunately the Reff won't be that hard on us.
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jimsxray
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NOV 05, 05:19 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
First things first, I must extend my hearty thanks to Chris West at West Coast Fieros for taking the time today to walk me through my many options, none of which included a 3800SC hooked to my 5spd. Well, that's not quite true, as has been already suggested, but Chris was able to explain the right way to do it that works with DMV. Arrange to set up a post office box as a 'suite' in a County that does't require smog testing (e.g. Imperial County.) This then establishes that building's physical address as a legitimate location to use for registering any vehicle of mine. The business will charge something for this service which would also include forwarding one's mail (from the DMV) to your house so it would be an on-going cost to consider. With the Suite address in hand, one would simply complete a Change of Address form on DMV's web page. Not a bad option really!
He said trying to get one of the 500 Special Vehicle permits became much more difficult about 8 years ago so that it is essentially impossible to do today. Instead of either approach Chris suggested that I really consider one of the other many engines that are allowed to be coupled to a Manual transmission in California, for example, the LS4. Of course the price of passing the Referee and getting a 'sticker' is transferring over the entire pollution control set up, etc. Also, the LS4 swap threads I have looked at seem much more involved with fabrication, which I have no facilities for. Bolt in is about the best I can manage here.
Chris, if you happen to read this you already have my thanks from earlier today but now let me offer my apologies for screwing up the many details you shared with me  |
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It's not necessary to have the mail from the DMV forwarded to your address. If you know the month that your registration expires, you can go on-line and do the registration there. No paper work is required. Actually, you could probably discontinue the service altogether, as long as you stayed current with paying the registration fees.
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jimsxray
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NOV 05, 08:01 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jimsxray:
It's not necessary to have the mail from the DMV forwarded to your address. If you know the month that your registration expires, you can go on-line and do the registration there. No paper work is required. Actually, you could probably discontinue the service altogether, as long as you stayed current with paying the registration fees.
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The more I thought about this, I realized that it would be necessary to keep the service because otherwise there would be no way to get the new registration and sticker after paying the DMV on-line.
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Notorio
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NOV 05, 10:03 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by jimsxray:
The more I thought about this, I realized that it would be necessary to keep the service because otherwise there would be no way to get the new registration and sticker after paying the DMV on-line.
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Yes, I don't see how I could avoid this. When I'm out today I'll stop at the post office and find out how much this would cost. At this point I don't know if it's $5 or $25 or more per month.
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OntarioKev
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NOV 05, 11:04 AM
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You guys have some strange laws in California  Glad I don't have to deal with them.
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Notorio
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NOV 05, 08:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by OntarioKev:
You guys have some strange laws in California Glad I don't have to deal with them. |
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Indeed we do. But in some respects you guys up North have surpassed us. My brother owned a house in Guelph with a beautiful yard, that was until the government clamped down on the use of herbicides. When I visited him 2 yrs later his lawns had been converted into weed-infested shadows of their former selves (as had everyone else's.) Now that I'm thinking about it I guess we're pursuing the same end (government control) via constantly lower water rations. The weeds thrive, the grass dies :/[This message has been edited by Notorio (edited 11-05-2018).]
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OntarioKev
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NOV 05, 09:53 PM
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Ya we have those weird pesticide rules. We cant use them, but apparently golf courses can because they still have perfect greens...
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Notorio
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DEC 08, 01:55 PM
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Well I've been doing some additional searching having read the LY7 thread that is up now. This lead me to the newer Direct Injection LLT engine offered in the Gen 5 Camaro (2009-2015) ...
Quoting from Wikipedia:
| quote | | It was made available as a coupe in five different trim levels; the LS, 1LT, 2LT, 1SS, and 2SS. The LS and LT trim levels are powered by the 3.6 L (3,564 cc or 217 cu in) GM LLT V6 producing 312 hp (233 kW) at 6,400 rpm and 273 lbf⋅ft (370 N⋅m) at 5,200 rpm |
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Looking several sales listings the LS and LT were sold with a MANUAL transmission 
Looking on Car-Part.com they are, however, quite pricey.  As an example, there is one in Arizona for sale right now for $2500 with 30K miles but that doesn't include shipping or all the smog-necessary equipage.
p.s. Edited to add now that I've read the 'High Feature v6' posting here, you don't need to tell me how complex this would be. I can see for myself this would be WAY over my head.[This message has been edited by Notorio (edited 12-08-2018).]
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Rickady88GT
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DEC 08, 10:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Notorio:
Well I've been doing some additional searching having read the LY7 thread that is up now. This lead me to the newer Direct Injection LLT engine offered in the Gen 5 Camaro (2009-2015) ...
Quoting from Wikipedia:
Looking several sales listings the LS and LT were sold with a MANUAL transmission
Looking on Car-Part.com they are, however, quite pricey. As an example, there is one in Arizona for sale right now for $2500 with 30K miles but that doesn't include shipping or all the smog-necessary equipage.
p.s. Edited to add now that I've read the 'High Feature v6' posting here, you don't need to tell me how complex this would be. I can see for myself this would be WAY over my head.
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My advice for the newer more complex engine swaps is to buy the entire donor car,..IF you want the swap to be smog legal in Ca. For starters, you will need the matching VIN number for the engine and drive train. They do check to verify that it is not stolen. Then the Reff will most likely want all of the related computers to also have the VIN number match the donor car. It will not matter if it is manual or automatic, you may still need to have more than just the Engine Control Module. Being a manual transmission does not necessarily mean the swap is easier or faster to complete. Mixing and matching different donor car parts can make the swap more complex, frustrating and time consuming.[This message has been edited by Rickady88GT (edited 12-08-2018).]
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