Unusual clutch issue (Page 6/8)
Patrick JUL 29, 08:41 PM

Images that Steve sent me...
stevep914 JUL 29, 09:19 PM
Sorry about the repeats, when I post, it doesn’t seem to go and shows my password missing. It appears to go anyway. I assume you got the poor picture of the banjo. I am going to do a final bleed again tomorrow. Somewhere in here it says remove the bleeder valve on the slave when backing the pushrod in. I have not been doing that. Other than changing the master cylinder, I don’t know what’s left. Thanks all for all the fantastic input!
Patrick JUL 29, 10:20 PM

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Originally posted by stevep914:

I assume you got the poor picture of the banjo.



A banjo photo was what I was actually expecting... but no, I uploaded and posted every photo that I received.


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Originally posted by stevep914:

Somewhere in here it says remove the bleeder valve on the slave when backing the pushrod in. I have not been doing that.



There's no need to totally remove the bleeder valve on the slave. It just needs to be open enough to allow air and fluid to easily escape when the piston is pushed all the way into the slave. Then obviously tighten it before allowing the piston to return.

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stevep914 JUL 30, 11:17 AM
Patrick, I sent you six other pics, including the banjo. Re forwarded them to you this morning. My computer indicates they went to you. The only source for the Master here would be autozone- if they have it. Mine is the one with the fitting on top behind the reservoir. I will check today. I would rather have Rodney’s, but I have had bad luck getting stuff here from the US, and the import duty almost doubles the price. Let me know if the pics made it. Steve
Patrick JUL 30, 04:29 PM
More photos from Steve...








I gotta say, this is the most interesting shot of the bunch!





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Patrick JUL 30, 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by stevep914:

The only source for the Master here would be autozone- if they have it. Mine is the one with the fitting on top behind the reservoir. I will check today. I would rather have Rodney’s, but I have had bad luck getting stuff here from the US, and the import duty almost doubles the price.



I absolutely swear by Rodney's clutch slave cylinder, and wouldn't purchase any other slave... but having said that, I don't feel the clutch master cylinder is as critical. Rodney's master is very nice, and if an adjustable banjo is also required, it's the master to buy. However, when I bought a master for my Formula two years ago, I bought the cheapest one that RockAuto had (a LuK unit), and it's been fine. I had already made my own adjustable banjo, and I simply transferred it onto the new master.

Steve, have a look at my thread Here where I discuss RockAuto's international shipping options. They are very fair!

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stevep914 JUL 30, 07:59 PM
Patrick, thanks for the info on Rockauto. I would bet it is relatively seamless US to Canada. Coming to Mexico is a whole other matter. The main problem is it may just not get to you. I have had two US bought items that never made it here. Autozone shows the MC options on their US sites. I have had parts they did not have in stock here in Mazatlan, ordered and prepaid here, and they came within a week. Don’t recall paying any duty on them here. I need to remove my old one first to confirm what banjo size it has , to make sure I get that right. Autozone shows both types of MC, but the banjos on the web look like they both have the smaller hole for the newer pedal pin. I guess I will be dismantling some of my interior on Monday to get at it. Will post how that goes. Again, thanks for sticking with me on this; it has, so far, been an educational , if not totally rewarding process. I am determined this time to be the winner, and should be an expert on clutch issues when finished! Steve
stevep914 AUG 01, 04:11 PM
Patrick, sent you a pic of my clutch master. Nightmare getting it off. The pushrod and banjo just fell off. It appears there is supposed to be a retaining clip that keeps it attached to the cylinder? Would this have ANYTHING to do with my problem? I have a new clutch master ordered from Autozone. But suspect it will present a problem. The banjos on all the Autozone units appears to be the small hole ones, not the larger one I have. My pedal looks fine, but will not accommodate the new unit without taking the pedal out, and machining the pin to the correct size for the new unit. Can I swap the old banjo and pushrod into the new unit?,as the old banjo is adjustable. There is a bit of wear on the old banjo hole, as it is a metal to metal contact with the pin on the pedal. The pedal looks like a nightmare to get off; gave it a try, and the main pin for the brake and clutch pedal does not seem to want to move after loosening the nuts on each end. Steve
Patrick AUG 01, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by stevep914:

Patrick, sent you a pic of my clutch master.






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Originally posted by stevep914:

Nightmare getting it off. The pushrod and banjo just fell off. It appears there is supposed to be a retaining clip that keeps it attached to the cylinder? Would this have ANYTHING to do with my problem?



Yes, it's supposed to be retained with a clip. I doubt that this was causing your problem, but it does point to suspicious assembly of who knows what else.


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Originally posted by stevep914:

I have a new clutch master ordered from Autozone. But suspect it will present a problem. The banjos on all the Autozone units appears to be the small hole ones, not the larger one I have.



Which style master did you order? You appear to have the older style master.




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Originally posted by stevep914:

My pedal looks fine, but will not accommodate the new unit without taking the pedal out, and machining the pin to the correct size for the new unit. Can I swap the old banjo and pushrod into the new unit?,as the old banjo is adjustable. There is a bit of wear on the old banjo hole, as it is a metal to metal contact with the pin on the pedal.



You don't want to take your pedal out. The banjo can be swapped over, but it's too bad the hole is worn. The banjo also looks bent (the short section with the hole) which isn't ideal.

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stevep914 AUG 01, 05:11 PM
I ordered the only one Autozone had, that has the hole for the line rearward of the reservoir ( the bottom one in your picture) . However, the picture on the web looks like it comes with the small banjo hole. No other option from them. They show both options, but both have the small banjo fitting. My existing banjo is a bit bent, but not drastic. It was welded that way from the getgo, by the look of it. I will ponder what to do about the bit of wear.