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| 3.4 L32 V6/60... questions... compared to L44 (Page 5/9) |
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zkhennings
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MAY 17, 04:18 PM
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I believe you should be able to configure the new ECU to use the crank signal for spark timing. That alone will make spark timing a lot better. Still not the greatest for high RPM spark delivery in terms of spark intensity, but should be fine to 6000RPMs (guesstimate). This is just due to a single coil having to charge and discharge rapidly 3 times every revolution of the crank, plus jumping the rotor to cap in addition to jumping the gap in the plug itself.
In terms of cam I think basically what La fiera is saying is that you will want more duration due to valve event timing for the additional stroke of the 3.4 vs 2.8, there is less dwell time with longer stroke to rod ratio, so I bet he would recommend the 272 over the 260. I am sure he will chime in with more info! Personally I would recommend the 272 over the 260, I always felt like on my 2.8 I could have used more cam. I think general rule of thumb is as displacement goes up, you can afford more cam.[This message has been edited by zkhennings (edited 05-17-2023).]
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La fiera
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MAY 17, 05:26 PM
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https://crower.com/camshaft...et-camshaft-142.html
One of the best if not the best cam off the shelf for a 3.1/3.4L with limited intake and exhaust. This cam would be perfect for your project and it will sound amazing at idle. The power comes in very punchy which will make the car feel a lot faster.
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zkhennings
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MAY 18, 12:56 AM
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Is he going to have the static compression recommended for that cam with a stock 3.4 bottom end?
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La fiera
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MAY 18, 08:08 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by zkhennings:
Is he going to have the static compression recommended for that cam with a stock 3.4 bottom end? |
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If the motor has at least 9.0:1 it should be ok.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 20, 09:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by zkhennings:
I believe you should be able to configure the new ECU to use the crank signal for spark timing. That alone will make spark timing a lot better. Still not the greatest for high RPM spark delivery in terms of spark intensity, but should be fine to 6000RPMs (guesstimate). This is just due to a single coil having to charge and discharge rapidly 3 times every revolution of the crank, plus jumping the rotor to cap in addition to jumping the gap in the plug itself.
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Yeah... definitely the upper-rpms is a problem. Back when my engine was stock, I noticed a significant difference EVEN just replacing the stock ignition coil with a higher output one. I haven't put much thought into it, but the assumption here is that the factory coil couldn't build power quickly enough to supply the ignition at those RPMs. It's never an issue for things like V8s and what have you, because they simply don't require that kind of rpm. If you look at some of the more high-end performance engines of the 60s through early 80s, they even had multiple ignition coils (sometimes a bank of plugs supported by one coil) in order to properly support the ignition.
But... back in the late 90s when I replaced the factory coil with an Accel (I even painted it black to look stock), I immediately noticed better performance in the upper RPMs... felt like it pulled harder. I hope to actually solve this problem with the use of the MSD 6EFI.

Only big question for me is where I'm going to hide it. I want it out of the way, and thankfully it's already black so it won't really stand out. I might mount it under the driver's side vent. Still not as awesome as CoP or DIS, but next best thing.
Yeah, I'm going to send an e-mail to FAST. They basically list an either or... simply because that's probably how most people do it, but I definitely would rather use the crank trigger...
| quote | Originally posted by La fiera:
https://crower.com/camshaft...et-camshaft-142.html
One of the best if not the best cam off the shelf for a 3.1/3.4L with limited intake and exhaust. This cam would be perfect for your project and it will sound amazing at idle. The power comes in very punchy which will make the car feel a lot faster. |
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This cam looks awesome. Question before I buy it, I should also pick up the lifters and other components that are recommended with it, right? I shouldn't be re-using any of the stuff that already comes with the engine I just ordered?
| quote | Originally posted by La fiera:
If the motor has at least 9.0:1 it should be ok.
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It says 10.25:1 required. My guess is that I'm getting at least 9.0:1 since it's a rebuilt, and they typically plane the heads to some degree (even if nominally); however, that's a full 1.25:1 compression difference... it definitely wouldn't be an issue? Also... I read the whole thread about the ZDDT... I assume then I there's probably something else I could / should be using?
Random point... I ordered the engine with the expected delivery date of mid August. Well... that's 3 months from now. I made the assumption I could just order and forget. Well... I just got an e-mail. There's already a FedEx tracking number... LOL. I have no idea where this is going to go in my garage, hahah...
Thanks!!![This message has been edited by 82-T/A [At Work] (edited 05-20-2023).]
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lou_dias
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MAY 22, 11:33 AM
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If you start with a 3100/3400 block (instead of 3.4 block), in addition to having:
- better oiling/oil pump - splayed crank bolts - a properly baffled oil pan for transverse orientation - starter holes on the correct side - roller lifter guides - knock sensor
...yes you do get a crank position sensor!
Did I miss anything?[This message has been edited by lou_dias (edited 05-22-2023).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 22, 02:22 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by lou_dias:
If you start with a 3100/3400 block (instead of 3.4 block), in addition to having:
- better oiling/oil pump - splayed crank bolts - a properly baffled oil pan for transverse orientation - starter holes on the correct side - roller lifter guides - knock sensor
...yes you do get a crank position sensor!
Did I miss anything?
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I've already ordered a 3.4 V6/60 Gen 1 block... literally have to call the company and schedule a time for delivery. So at this point, it doesn't make sense for me to get another one. I also want it to be super reliable, and as stock looking as possible. I probably would have gone with one, but now it just doesn't make any sense for me to go that route.
Tell you what though... if I get another Porsche 944 next year, I'm throwing out that piece of **** 2.5 Porsche motor and dropping in a 3500.
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sleek fiero
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MAY 22, 03:18 PM
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82-T/A yes the 3050 Crower will work with 9.0 or better CR. I would order it with the matching components, springs and lifters. If possible get the lifters with the Groove down the side to provide more oil to the cam lobes. also if your engine doesn't come with a high volume oil pump I would change that up as well.
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lou_dias
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MAY 22, 04:02 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I've already ordered a 3.4 V6/60 Gen 1 block... literally have to call the company and schedule a time for delivery. So at this point, it doesn't make sense for me to get another one. I also want it to be super reliable, and as stock looking as possible. I probably would have gone with one, but now it just doesn't make any sense for me to go that route.
Tell you what though... if I get another Porsche 944 next year, I'm throwing out that piece of **** 2.5 Porsche motor and dropping in a 3500. |
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Please recall, when I say 'block' I mean just the short-block. I resell the aluminum heads to AL head zealots who are replacing their warped heads for basically what I paid for these dime-a-dozen junkyard motors. Then I get the short-block rebuilt with 3.4 pushrod or 3.4 TDC pistons depending on if it's a street motor or not. I considered using LFX 3.6 pistons in my current 3.500+ build but used custom ones instead.
The 3.6 [LFX] uses the 3.37" stroke over the 3.31" stroke to achieve 3.6L using pistons that would normally get you 3.5L (97mm/3.7" diameter)...
...this is all with Fiero IRON heads.
Oh gee...I wonder what length rods the 3.6 uses...and what length I'm using... https://molnarrods.com/gm-lfx-connecting-rods[This message has been edited by lou_dias (edited 05-22-2023).]
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La fiera
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MAY 22, 07:35 PM
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Oh wow and they are pretty heavy also! But for a turbo LFX application they seem to be a stout rod!
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