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jdv
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OCT 24, 09:06 PM
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The 7165 is 160 baud rate and the 7730 is 8192 baud rate so how would this affect data logging? The nvram kit took some reworking of the code to work on the 7730 will it even work on the 7165?
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chetw77cruiser
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OCT 24, 09:24 PM
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The 7165 will also do 8192 baud as long as a 10k resistor is used between aldl pin A and B.
The nvram and code that I am using was not designed for the 7730. It was designed to work with the 7165. For the nvram designed for the 7730, hardware wise would probably work with the 7165 but the code is 7730 exclusive.
| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
The 7165 is 160 baud rate and the 7730 is 8192 baud rate so how would this affect data logging? The nvram kit took some reworking of the code to work on the 7730 will it even work on the 7165? |
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josef644
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OCT 24, 09:36 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by chetw77cruiser:
The 7165 will also do 8192 baud as long as a 10k resistor is used between aldl pin A and B.
The nvram and code that I am using was not designed for the 7730. It was designed to work with the 7165. For the nvram designed for the 7730, hardware wise would probably work with the 7165 but the code is 7730 exclusive.
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8192 baud comes in threw a different pin on the ALDL, I forget if it is 'E' or 'M'. I used 8192 on my 4.9 swap. Might have to add a new pin into the harness and ALDL.
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Blacktree
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OCT 24, 09:43 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by chetw77cruiser: Go ahead and post them here. Remember from school what the teachers said: Ask the question anyway, because someone else probably has the same question and is to shy to ask. I was usually the shy one. |
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OK, here goes. But first of all, a brief run-down of my powertrain setup -- 3.4 V6 with manual transmission, electronic ignition (DIS), knock sensor, no EGR, no A/C, magnetic speed sensor, ECM controlled radiator fan, ECM controlled charcoal canister, 7730 ECM with Moates G1 adapter and flash ROM chip, custom tune.
Now, the questions:
-- For my setup, which brands / models of cars should I look for in the salvage yards for the appropriate 7165 ECM?
-- Can a commercially available flash ROM (like my 27SF512 chip, for example) be used in place of the 7165's PROM chip? If so, which one(s) will fit?
-- Do you have a V6 bin file that can run a WBO2 sensor (without an aftermarket adapter)?
-- Can the 7165 ECM control the radiator fan and canister purge, like my 7730 does now?
-- Does the 7165 ECM require the cold-start injector? Or does it adjust fueling at start-up, like the 7730?
-- Do you have any pin-out diagrams available?
That's all I have for now.  [This message has been edited by Blacktree (edited 10-24-2011).]
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chetw77cruiser
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OCT 24, 11:31 PM
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Well, I will give a shot at answering your questions.
1). -- For my setup, which brands / models of cars should I look for in the salvage yards for the appropriate 7165 ECM?
1227165
See Also: 16198259
Applications
1986 2.0 L4 TBI “P” LQ5 w/ Manual Trans
1986-89 5.0 V8 TPI “F” LB9
1986-89 5.7 V8 TPI “8” L98
1987-91 Truck 2.5 L4 TBI “E” LN8
1991 Truck 2.5 L4 TBI “A” L38
2). -- Can a commercially available flash ROM (like my 27SF512 chip, for example) be used in place of the 7165's PROM chip? If so, which one(s) will fit?
Yes. the 32k (27C256) is the smallest that can be used. Using a non-nvram chip disables the aldl tunning feature and certian learn functions, although with proper tuning most of these features are not needed. Basically anything that works in the 7730 will also work in the 7165 other than the 16k(27c128) eprom. Not big enough.
3). -- Do you have a V6 bin file that can run a WBO2 sensor (without an aftermarket adapter)?
I am currently using the v6 bin that can use the input from a WBO2, but cannot control this sensor dirrectly. The ecu does not have the proper circuitry to do the above. I do have a wideband controller that I am installing into the ecu's case and can use the ecu connector after the needed wires are run for it. Makes fr a clean installation.
4). -- Can the 7165 ECM control the radiator fan and canister purge, like my 7730 does now?
Yes on the fan, haven't tried on the canister purge. With the programable outputs, shouldn't be to difficult to implement based on rpm and map.
5). -- Does the 7165 ECM require the cold-start injector? Or does it adjust fueling at start-up, like the 7730?
This code DOES NOT require the cold start injector. All fueling is taken care of by the ecu, like the 7730.
6). -- Do you have any pin-out diagrams available?
I am currently making a pin-out diagram to show the change needed to go from the 7170 to the 7165. Give me a few days to get something put together.
With winter here, a good portion of my time is spent either fixing the roads, or plowing them. Calling for more than 8 inches in the next couple of days here. Patience is a virtue.
Hopefully this helps.
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jdv
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OCT 25, 06:06 AM
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Blacktree
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OCT 25, 08:09 AM
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Thanks for the info 
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timgray
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OCT 26, 06:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by chetw77cruiser:
Basically the same thing. I like the 7165 because it fits in the 7170 tray and uses the same ecm plugs. More of a plug and play operation. I will check to see if the code I use is compatible with this nvram board. What I am making is a little bit cheaper but requires the memcal to be modified.
If anyone wants to try this nvram with the modified 8D code, I have a base tune from my 86 GT with 4 speed. Transfer most of the parameters to the nvram code and thisng should work.
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I am very interested, timgray.geo@yahoo.com if you would send me the bin in an email.
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chetw77cruiser
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OCT 26, 10:01 PM
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The forecast tonight is calling for 5 above. I will find out how well my tune with this ecu and code will run at this low temp. Sure am glad that we only get 9 months of winter here where I live.
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chetw77cruiser
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OCT 27, 12:19 AM
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Hopefully this is fairly easy to decipher. Some wanted to see a pinout for the 7170 to 7165 swap. I have a better version than this if anyone wants a copy.
7170 7165 Circuit 7170 7165 Circuit
A1 A1 Fuel Pump Relay B1 B1 12V Battery
A2 B2
A3 Flex Output 2 B3 B3 Dist Reference Low
A4 Flex Output 1 B4
A5 A5 Check Engine Light B5 B5 Dist Reference High
A6 A6 12 Volt Ignition B6
A7 A7 TCC(Auto) or Flex Output 4 B7 Knock (External Filter)
A8 A8 Serial Data B8 B8 A/C Request
A9 A9 Diagnostic "Test" Input B9 A/B Table Switching
A10 A10 VSS Input(From Speedometer) B10 B10 Park/Neutral Switch(Auto Only)
D13 A11 MAP/MAT sensor ground B11 Knock (Internal Filter)
A12 A12 Engine Ground B12 0-25V A/D Input
C1 Fan Relay D1 D1 Engine Ground
C2 C2 A/C Relay D12 D2 TPS, Coolant Ground
C3 C3 IAC Coil B Low D3
C4 C4 IAC Coil B High B4 D4 EST Output
C5 C5 IAC Coil A High D5 D5 EST Module Bypass Signal
C6 C6 IAC Coil A Low D6 D6 NBO2 Sensor Ground
C7 D7 D7 NBO2 Sensor Signal
C8 D8 WBO2 Signal
C9 D9
C10 C10 Coolant Temp Sensor D10 Engine Ground(Connect to A12 D1)
C11 C12 C11 MAP Sensor D11
A11 C12 MAT Sensor D12 Flex Output 3
C13 C13 TPS Sensor D13
C14 C14 5V Sensor Reference Voltage D14
C15 D14 D15 D15 Injector Driver
C16 C16 12V Battery C15 D16 D16 Injector Driver
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