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| 2016 Buick Regal Turbo Ecotec motor for a swap, what are the challenges? (Page 4/4) |
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imacflier
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MAY 31, 06:02 PM
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imacflier
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MAY 31, 06:17 PM
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cmechmann
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MAY 31, 08:23 PM
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I'd be curious as to what issues you are going to run into with CANS bus.
Just replaced an ECM on a 2016 Cruise 1.8. There were at least 4 other modules reporting CANS bus error due to not seeing to ECM on the CANS bus.
TCM, ABS, Instrument panel and BCM. I would almost bet that the ECM will report errors for modules it can't get CANS bus communications with other expected modules unless they can be edited out of the flash. Before you get too deep into this, I would make sure that there is enough data out there to edit the flash. Such as editing software that covers that series engine.
We have been seeing a lot of intake leaks and valve cover/PCV issues with this series of Ecotech engines. The smaller 1.4 turbo and 1.7 series have been worse.
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Dennis LaGrua
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MAY 31, 10:57 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by qwikgta:
I have a complete 35,000 mile motor w/ accessories, including turbo and cold side plumbing, 6 speed 6T70 auto trans, ECM, BCM, engine and body harness, both fuel pumps, charcoal canister, axles, spindles, hubs, calipers, rotors, steel fuel and return lines and with all that I'm still under $350 bucks.
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If you really got all that for $350, that is misleading the members here on the swap cost. Deals like this are very uncommon. Car-Part.com will give you a real cost for this powertrain and its more like $2,000. . .
When you get it running correctly post a video. ------------------
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wftb
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JUN 01, 04:26 PM
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When it comes to getting stuff from a wrecker, prices are all over the map. There is a huge difference in price between buying something online with no work involved and going to a pick and pull and getting everything yourself. The OP is not misleading anyone, he is just stating what he paid for all this stuff. Your results will vary.
Since AWD swaps for hatchback civics have become the latest tuner craze, there are people driving hundreds of miles and pulling the drivetrains out of CRV's and Elements from yards in low populated areas and then selling online at 10 times what they paid for them. A lot of elbow grease for a corresponding lots of profit.------------------
86 GT built 2.2 ecotec turbo
rear SLA suspension
QA1 coilovers on tube arms
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qwikgta
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JUN 02, 10:12 AM
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yes in google'ing everything LTG on the net i did find that site. Thanks
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qwikgta
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JUN 02, 10:35 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
If you really got all that for $350, that is misleading the members here on the swap cost. Deals like this are very uncommon. Car-Part.com will give you a real cost for this powertrain and its more like $2,000. . .
When you get it running correctly post a video.
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I'm not posting questions because of the price I paid, it's because of the DI fuel system, VVT and how to make the 6T70 trans work in a 87/88 Fiero? And yes I did get all that for the price posted.
Do I understand that I got a OUTSTANDING deal on this YES I do. But Pick and Pull has a price list. Its the same across the country. A motor is $XXX, a trans is $XXX. When I bought my 87 GT from Pick and Pull with no motor, I asked for a motor to be part of the price, the manager agreed. He gave me 60 days to find and pull a motor. When I saw they had a 2016 Buick Regal on the lot, I asked if the 2.0 ecotec was acceptable and he said yes. I've gone back 3 times to get other misc parts to finish the swap. BTW, the motor and everything I pulled is also for sale, am I asking $350... HELL NO.
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arbakken
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JUN 03, 08:26 PM
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You got the motor from a pick and pull? Those types of yards in Utah don't have a single car made within the past 10 years! lol
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robmox
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MAR 20, 07:43 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by wftb:
Get everything you can. Unless you are going to do standalone engine management. Entire wiring harness with the bcm ecm all of it. Get the steering column with the key in the ignition (you might use the switch, not the column), gauges fuel pump everything electrical. Modern GM harnesses use all different connectors so you can't put it together wrong. The harness will come with a large fuse block and a small fuse block and cables to go to the battery . If you get it all, it is plug and play and you can have it working fairly quickly. Get the drive by wire pedal assembly and grab the charcoal canister and its harness too.
The only thing my Fiero uses that is Fiero are the lights, heater fans and controls,wipers etc and the ignition switch turns on the starter for the ecotec. I pared down my harness too much and I do regret that now. I use HP tuners and for my setup anyway it will run both a manual and automatic transmission. I doubt the newer cars would be set up like that, my control system is from a 2004.
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So, I was doing research about an ecotec swap, and I happened across this while I was doing research into the LTG. I'm probably going to try an LNF swap, but I just wanted to follow up and see how you were able to get the stock GM BCU to work? Other things I'd read said that it's not possible/likely to get the BCU to work, and that you'd have to get a standalone ECU. Personally, if I'm going to buy a Cobalt SS donor car, I might as well try to use as much of it as possible. And, as difficult as it is, if the stock BCU likely adds features that are nice to have in a restomod. So, I see you mentioned that you need the ignition switch, but are there any other features that are "unnecessarily" tied into the BCU/ECU like blinker controls, dome lights, or anything else that I'd do right to grab from my donor car? If so, are you able to provide a list of such features?
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Darth Fiero
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MAR 27, 04:03 PM
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Generally speaking, VATS (anti-theft / security / immobilizer) can be tuned out of these modern Ecotec ECMs so you do NOT need to install the BCM from the donor car into your Fiero when you do a swap.
That said, if you do want the BCM, it does NOT need to have every single electrical circuit hooked up to it (like blinkers and such) in order for it to work in a swap environment in a limited fashion.
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