A retrofit for gen 1 headlight (Not a gen 2 swap) (Page 3/10)
theogre FEB 07, 09:11 PM
"Retrofit kit"
Sorry but various ways "deleting" the Gen1 switches etc. over 20+ years here alone including hand operating power to motors or whatever timers... About only thing different in new brush assembly.
● This "New Module" must do all things the OE Gen2 module does because pulling relays and other mod's on Gen1 is another version of Gen2 system. Simple Timer that cuts power for up/down isn't enough and will cause big problems when the motor is in Stall Condition. That can happen for Full up/down or Any Time between either happens when doors and other things Jam. Stalled motor can draw 2 to several times more Amps then a Running motor an burn parts in a new module or whatever is weak. See my Cave, Gen 2 HL Motor
● Winking is often Illegal and treated as HL out if a cop sees that. Depending on state when cops stops you is a Fine and some cases Fine and Points. This is a "Primary Offense" to Stop in most states and give them easy way to "go fishing" for other stuff can arrest you for.
● Hope you have good lawyer(s) and insurance to Sell modified Gen 1 controls.
If the mod sold to anyone cause a fire like Gen2 system can (Covered here and in the Cave) when DIY tries to fix the module then expect getting sued. Worse If a buyer has a wreck or other people involved in that wreck and lawyers find a shred to tied the wreck to you, expect their suing you. Aftermarket parts including this "kit" can face Recall by NHTSA or other federal problems selling across state lines.
Could go INC or maybe LLC to protect your house etc better but that cost a lot too to start and every year + More Business Taxes and Fees.

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theogre FEB 07, 09:18 PM
Patents...
Above Steven Snyder seems right Plus...
● China and companies there doesn't care about any IP Protection and Will copy anything they think will make money. If you're using China Made boards... you gave copies of that will be problem. U.S. Customs does not automatically stop imports. Unless you have Huge Pockets of $ to hire lawyers.
● Again Unless you have Huge Pockets of $ to Sue for violating Patents TM and © or often won't protect you from others even in the U.S.

Example 4 both web search: red sole counterfeit stopped
Louboutin's spend Millions of $ € and more and still do to fight counterfeiting their shoes.

● Using "Arduino" hardware and Open Source coding can Block you from Patent and other IP Protection. Read the various licenses like the GNU General Public License attach to nearly all Arduino hardware and software including most/all Libraries. "They" can and have sued people and companies for violating these open source licenses.

Plus have "Prior Art" using Arduino to control HL motors that's likely to cause problems if you get a Patent then Sue others because they can use that to crush your Patent.

⚠️ USPTO will "Patent" a lot of crap that should not have gotten one like Method of exercising a cat https://patents.google.com/patent/US5443036A/en
This crap Patent, just 1 in millions, was a "gift" to a kid and now Expired but unenforceable w/o deep pockets to sue and likely more reasons. Only gotten worse after PTO "upgrades" passed by Congress years ago now. PTO gets all $ to file a patent then requires anyone to pay $20,000+ just to file a counter angst a bad Patent. MS and Many others will patent almost everything and PTO just takes their money and slap numbers with near no review.

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Dukesterpro FEB 07, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by Patrick:

Might want to fix that typo.



typo fixed lol
theogre FEB 07, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by Dukesterpro:
1.) I would need to get ahold of a Gen 2 motor, my 88GT has one but the hood is currently very frozen shut and won't be able to open for a few more months lol. If they work the way I assume they do. I would say yes. It could work with Gen 2 motors but likely would need a selector switch installed. Are gen 2 headlights 2-wire or 3-wire?

3.) Will absolutely go with a replaceable fuse, but will maintain the fusible link to prevent misuse. My major concern is someone installing an overrated fuse and starting a fire which would be a tremendous liability on my end. There will always be a fusible link.

1.) Cardone AZ and some others have w/ warranty. Ebay cheaper w/o warranty. Needs shorter/longer bolts to replace Gen1 motors. Wiring, Again, See my Cave, Gen 2 HL Motor

3.) Fuses and Fusible Links Often Do Not prevent HL motor and other fires. Follow links on same page alone.
Both hopefully Prevents the Battery and the Alt dumping 10's to Hundreds of Amps in a Short Circuit that can burn the whole car down and fast.

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Dukesterpro FEB 07, 09:47 PM

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Originally posted by theogre:

"Retrofit kit"
Sorry but various ways "deleting" the Gen1 switches etc. over 20+ years here alone including hand operating power to motors or whatever timers... About only thing different in new brush assembly.
● This "New Module" must to all things the OE Gen2 module does because pulling relays and other mod's on Gen1 is another version of Gen2 system. Simple Timer that cuts power for up/down isn't enough and will cause big problems when the motor is in Stall Condition. That can happen for Full up/down or Any Time between either happens when doors and other things Jam. Stalled motor can draw 2 to several times more Amps then a Running motor an burn parts in a new module or whatever is weak. See my Cave, Gen 2 HL Motor
● Winking is often Illegal and treated as HL out if a cop sees that. Depending on state when cops stops you is a Fine and some cases Fine and Points. This is a "Primary Offense" to Stop in most states and give them easy way to "go fishing" for other stuff can arrest you for.
● Hope you have a good lawyer(s) and insurance to Sell modified Gen 1 controls.
If the mod sold to anyone causes a fire as Gen2 system can (Covered here and in the Cave) when DIY tries to fix the module then expect getting sued. Worse If a buyer has a wreck or other people involved in that wreck and lawyers find a shred to tied the wreck to you, expect their suing you. Aftermarket parts including this "kit" can face Recall by NHTSA or other federal problems selling across state lines.
Could go INC or maybe LLC to protect your house etc better but that costs a lot too to start and every year + More Business Taxes and Fees.





A lot to unpack here. But I like the feedback so let's get started.

1) As I mentioned this is not a dumb system using timers or other crap like that. The micro in my setup recognizes up, down, and interrupt conditions. For example, the headlights are on the way up, and someone pushes down on one of the headlight buckets while they are halfway up (or anywhere in between). The micro will detect the intrusion and "immediately, (<1/1000 of a second) cut power and note the failure to fully rise and freeze the headlight, until the next input from the light switch.

2) If you choose to use the winking feature while on a public road, that's on you. In my state, it's not considered illegal. In fact, it's covered under headlight interrupt laws that most states, including California, have for headlights that turn off when indicating a turn while stopped. While I absolutely would not recommend using the wink function on a public road. Just having the ability isn't going to get you dragged out of the car for a fresh ticket. Use it responsibly like any other car show gimmick (underflow, RGB headlight halos etc)

3) As much as you are right. Sometimes we have to do what we legally can and pray for the best. What's stopping me from going to the Ogre's cave, incorrectly following your good advice, having a accident, and going and whining to some scumbag lawyer about how some guy on the internet made a site with instructions told me to do what I did, even if I incorrectly followed your advice. Not that I would ever do this. But my point is If we all lived in fear of litigation we might as well just pack it in here and never fix anything on our cars again. Now I understand the nuance of me selling a kit and you providing a service but I'm willing to do my legal duties and get the kit out for people to use. Also, my design doesn't interfere with the manual hand crank so headlights will always be available. I am, very, very confident in my design's ability to prevent fires. There is multiple fail-safes that will fail long before max stall current is achieved, more so than even the original system.

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Dukesterpro FEB 07, 09:51 PM

Again, I am only going with the patent thing if that works to ensure a solid grade in the class to keep my instructor and grader happy. I don't want to deal with the headache, but my initial thoughts about protection from Chinese knockoffs were definitely overly optimistic. I absolutely agree with you here.
Dukesterpro FEB 07, 09:57 PM
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Cardone AZ and some others have w/ warranty. Ebay cheaper w/o warranty. Needs shorter/longer bolts to replace Gen1 motors. Wiring, Again, See my Cave, Gen 2 HL Motor

3.) Fuses and Fusible Links Often Do Not prevent HL motor and other fires. Follow links on same page alone.
Both hopefully Prevents the Battery and the Alt dumping 10's to Hundreds of Amps in a Short Circuit that can burn the whole car down and fast.

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I'm going to bring in a set of gen 2s then! I will consult your cave for the wiring. Hopefully, I can mount them onto the test Fiero's after the gen 1 trials are over.

The circuit protection I am using is already widespread in the industry I am in. They protect significantly more fragile circuits, from significantly more juice.
zkhennings FEB 08, 10:23 AM
I would be even more interested if this system allowed Gen 1 cars to be retrofitted with Gen 2 motor assemblies, they are widely available and cheap.

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Wichita FEB 08, 03:25 PM
Thank you for explaining the crossover harness and the winking feature being more code than hardware.

I'm still up for one of your kits.
Dukesterpro FEB 09, 10:29 AM
Thanks for all the feedback, you suggestions and concerns have been noted.

I will keep you all updated. My second gen headlight arrived and was nearly plugged and played with my new controller. Just needed some adjustments in the code.

Please stay tuned for more updates

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