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Forrest
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MAY 17, 02:05 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Another One: Passenger headlight only went about 1/2 way up and lots of chugging when it moved. Acted like stripped gear teeth so that's been added to the list as well. |
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Easy fix. The gears do not strip normally. There are plastic bushings in there that are prolly shredded. You need new these.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/16...2:g:7rYAAOSwytRh-VPb Some folks also just use fuel line.
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Another One
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MAY 30, 06:28 PM
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I put the scope on the white wire between the IM and the coil and it is definitely missing pulses. I see the same thing with the scope on the disconnected tach filter wire. Not sure which wire is from the ECU to IM so if anyone knows, please let me know.
Signal looks like it has switch bounce when going to ground and then spikes to around 60 volts positive. Not sure if that 60 volt spike is normal/acceptable or if it means the ECU is/has failed. I have tried a separate ECU but they are both 1988 with 150,000 miles plus.
I checked for AC voltage at the alternator and the battery and the Fluke meter shows .002 so the alternator is good.
Unfortunately it will be a few more weeks before I can try anything else as the 1986 MR2 needs attention now.
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armos
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JUN 15, 05:57 PM
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I don't think this is the cause of your misfire, but it seems your O2 sensor is acting like it's not getting hot enough to cycle like it should. When you replaced the O2, did you put grease on the electrical connector? I've read that can cause it to malfunction, that it needs air to pass through there. Do you have aftermarket headers? Do you have one of those infrared pyrometer gizmos? If so, try checking if the exhaust (and by extension the O2 sensor) is getting to a normal temperature.
Separate issue: you should be getting fuel pressure as soon as the key is turned on. For it to wait until you bump the starter might be a bad fuel pump relay. Have you tried swapping relays as suggested by Patrick further up in the thread? But again that's probably not your misfire, assuming it holds fuel pressure when running and it sounds like it does.
| quote | Originally posted by Another One:
I put the scope on the white wire between the IM and the coil and it is definitely missing pulses. I see the same thing with the scope on the disconnected tach filter wire. Not sure which wire is from the ECU to IM so if anyone knows, please let me know.
Signal looks like it has switch bounce when going to ground and then spikes to around 60 volts positive. Not sure if that 60 volt spike is normal/acceptable or if it means the ECU is/has failed. I have tried a separate ECU but they are both 1988 with 150,000 miles plus.
I checked for AC voltage at the alternator and the battery and the Fluke meter shows .002 so the alternator is good.
Unfortunately it will be a few more weeks before I can try anything else as the 1986 MR2 needs attention now. |
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That mini-harness from the coil to the ICM is notorious for getting toasted over the years and often needs replacement.[This message has been edited by armos (edited 06-15-2022).]
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Another One
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JUN 19, 07:15 PM
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Armos, Thanks for the input. Fuel pressure was the relay, that has been corrected. Fuel pressure varies with manifold pressure but stays consistent within normal/expected pressure readings.
I've checked and replaced the mini harness from the coil to the ICM with no change. I've also checked and replaced the wires from the pick up coil to the ICM with no improvement. If I'm understanding the print you included correctly, putting the scope on the PPL/WHT wire should let me know if the pick up coil is working consistently.
I did learn that the scope signal I was seeing on the tach wire is what I should be seeing. The high voltage is the spark starting, reduced voltage that I thought might be switch bounce is actually the flame front. YouTube has lots of generic info on using an oscilloscope on an ignition system. Just not why I'm missing pulses.
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XxdjxX89
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JUN 20, 10:30 AM
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Our issues are exactly the same lol , my spark plug arching was caused because of insufficient fuel ,,, my problem is my fuel is system is perfect preasure and my fuel injectors work as they should ,,, my motor is in time so why on earth is the car still running lean ,,, I’ve tried multiple sensors ,,, just not making sense lol , my scan tool shows sensor is working as they should , all I can say is keep me up to date if you find solutions, as I will respond here if I figure it out
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XxdjxX89
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JUN 20, 10:34 AM
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Another thing if you need to know what the scope wave should look like my Hantek unit has reference waves I could post pics if needed
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Another One
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JUN 27, 11:20 PM
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Pictures are always a plus. Parts for the MR2 project are still weeks out so I may be pulling the Fiero back up to the front of the line and check the signal to the ECU from the ICM. I know it's missing pulses from the ECU to the coil, just don't know why. I may post a youtube video as you did and see if that helps generate ideas.
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XxdjxX89
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JUL 09, 08:48 PM
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Sorry I’ve been super busy , I’ll post pics when I get a chance , I’m about to test the car after changing some parts so wish me luck hope I figured it out lol
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XxdjxX89
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JUL 09, 11:44 PM
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Mystery solved ,, turns out my new distributor was faulty there was no way to scope a pickup coil so I can’t prove it but after warranty and installing another distributor all is good
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Another One
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JUL 11, 02:32 PM
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Thanks for the update. Unfortunately I voided the warranty on mine by swapping out the ICM. That and it was bought some time ago so I'm sure time has elapsed.
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