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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 04:28 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
The VW Phaeton had the W12. Cool factor is high and probably never been done. 12 cylinders just rev forever. They're also a couple hundred heavier than the LSx I'd say. The Audi used it most likely. Probably in the S8? Not sure what they bolt up to.
Found this:
After 17 years on the market, Audi has sounded the death knell on the A8 W12. Audi R&D honcho Peter Mertens — the same exec who suggested the end of the R8 — told Car and Driver at the Geneva Motor Show that the new 2019 A8 "is going to be the last installation" of the 6.0-liter 12-cylinder. That won't affect our market since the Audi retired the W12 here in 2017, and the engine won't reappear in the 2019 model. Our top end will be the A8 60 with a 4.0-liter, twin-turbo V8 making 460 horsepower and 486 pound-feet of torque. The W12 isn't dead yet — Audi gets the engine from Bentley, and Bentley has no plans to quit it.
Introduced to the market in 2001 for Europe and Asia in the first-generation A8, we didn't get the W12 until 2005, in the second-gen luxo-sedan. Back then, the oddball motor built up from the the VR6 in the Volkswagen Corrado made 444 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque. Today's Audi W12 stands at 585 hp and 627 lb-ft, detuned from the 633 hp and 620 lb-ft it makes in the Bentley Continental GT.
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As much as I would LOVE to participate in a project like a W12, I still think it would be very difficult to get my hands on? Also all of the unknowns like required electronics and emissions equipment? (Out here in the California I would want to be able to drive it legally) Believe me, if a person asked me to help with a project like this and came up with a donor car for the swap,.....I would help BUT I doubt that the expense is something that can be overlooked.
If a donor can be acquired at a reasonable price, it would be an AMAZING swap.
Until then a w8 would be super cool but the LS is without a doubt the gold standard,....for me. The sound of a vr6 and w8 is OUTSTANDING, but a Nissan 370Z sounds just as great if not better and the parts are MUCH easier to get and modify.
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 05:02 PM
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btw, your car and swap is what drew me into Fieros. Yours is the one on Youtube with the adjustable pedals and such? That's what started it for me. He did what with an LS?
The W12 is an extreme sort of project, and only makes sense as one of those. It's not a money sense thing. It's a heavier engine and probably with it's unique troubles. The LNF is an attractive sensible swap, but next to a complete big engine is the cool factor close? Like I say, the donor Fiero is negligible to the cost of a swap project (or can be). It's a throw away price.
CA is effed on car legislation. Much of the nation doesn't even have inspections. It's not like we all have junkers here running around with parts falling off. You see that in the poor part of towns obviously, but check engine lights are commonly lit with a car of any age. Mine is lit due to an air bag ground on one of the many air bags.
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 06:02 PM
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pmbrunelle
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NOV 26, 06:10 PM
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| quote | | Originally posted by sourmash:Like I say, the donor Fiero is negligible to the cost of a swap project (or can be). It's a throw away price. |
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On that note, my powertrain cost me about 13x the purchase price of my Fiero, so your statement is true... at least this time. And I had a free longblock to start from.
Nice 88 GT Fieros will run for 10k-15k, so hopefully you don't have to spend 13x on its powertrain to get it up to your tastes. Though if you have the wallet for it, that's OK.[This message has been edited by pmbrunelle (edited 11-26-2020).]
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sourmash
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NOV 26, 06:28 PM
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I don't have a really nice 88 that's done, but I bought a couple of project ones. They were really cheap to acquire and were purchased here from people who were moving out of the hobby. Both are projects. The expensive one (a GT 5 speed) was advertised for $3000 with zero mile Mr Mikes seats, a newly assembled 3800sc short block with newly machined or newly purchased hipo parts, ported heads, fieroguru big brake swaps, zero mile tires and rims, Beretta 5 spd, Fiero Fglass scoops, gen V charger, small pulley setup, etc.. Oh, he said I was the only one to get as far as making an offer when I finally decided to contact him.
I bought an 88 chop project too.
Wish I had bought the vacant project house across the street also, but it was beyond reach. It wouldn't have vinyl siding on it.
 [This message has been edited by sourmash (edited 11-26-2020).]
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Rickady88GT
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NOV 26, 11:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by sourmash:
btw, your car and swap is what drew me into Fieros. Yours is the one on Youtube with the adjustable pedals and such? That's what started it for me. He did what with an LS?
The W12 is an extreme sort of project, and only makes sense as one of those. It's not a money sense thing. It's a heavier engine and probably with it's unique troubles. The LNF is an attractive sensible swap, but next to a complete big engine is the cool factor close? Like I say, the donor Fiero is negligible to the cost of a swap project (or can be). It's a throw away price.
CA is effed on car legislation. Much of the nation doesn't even have inspections. It's not like we all have junkers here running around with parts falling off. You see that in the poor part of towns obviously, but check engine lights are commonly lit with a car of any age. Mine is lit due to an air bag ground on one of the many air bags. |
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Yes my 88GT has electronically adjustable pedals. They came out of the Malibu with it's dash and steering wheel. The electronics that I put into the dash are from the Monte Carlo and its LS4. This is how I do my engine swaps. I do not attempt to fool the engine controls, I just roll with it. The Smog Ref seems to like it that way. The adjustable pedals are amazing on long drives. I can only move around so much in such a small space, like a Fiero. But to be able to move the pedals back out of the way for more leg room REALLY helps. I would do the very same type of thing for any engine swap I do. If the donor car has some cool features, I just put them into the Fiero along with the engine swap.
I can imagine the w12 or w8 having some cool features too.
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engine man
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NOV 27, 07:28 AM
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this is some of the projects I want to do are the W8 and W12 engines and this Manta Mirage Kit Car but they are hard to find as they are no longer made but i have wanted one since 1979 when I was 17 and saw this in Kit Car Magazine 
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Daryl M
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NOV 27, 10:04 AM
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Although this is an interesting engine, what is the benefit of the W8 over an LFX ? The LFX puts out similar torque and 50 more hp and is 110 pounds lighter.
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steve308
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NOV 27, 10:10 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by engine man:
this is some of the projects I want to do are the W8 and W12 engines and this Manta Mirage Kit Car but they are hard to find as they are no longer made but i have wanted one since 1979 when I was 17 and saw this in Kit Car Magazine |
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Love this car and always wanted to buy / build one. There is an active Facebook page for the Manta group and on occasion one pops up for sale.
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sourmash
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NOV 27, 10:25 AM
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I liked the Montage a little better.
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