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mcfrandon
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JAN 21, 10:37 PM
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here is something i just found.... 93-95 pistons have a 1.53mm top ring groove. 96-99 pistons have a 1.23mm top ring groove... my rebuild kit was for ordered for the 97 block i have but i reused the pistons out of the 94 because they were already cleaned and under the impression they were the same for all years. So my top ring is .30mm too thin wow.
also... going through the catalogue on rockauto it shows the same pistons for all years but points to the 93-95 piston ring. so if you order pistons under the 96-99 year you have to go back out and look up rings for the 93-95 year to get the right ones.
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IXSLR8
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JAN 22, 12:51 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
Can I ask why you are putting yourself through this misery? Is there a particular reason you feel the need to use those time bombs? I would have had a SBC or an LS engine in there by now with a lot more power and a lot less cost and headache.
I feel for you man but let this be a lesson learned. Caddy owners don't even want those things. |
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If you don't have anything positive to contribute to this thread, why don't you start a new thread and post your thoughts there.
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Thunderstruck GT
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JAN 22, 08:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by IXSLR8: If you don't have anything positive to contribute to this thread, why don't you start a new thread and post your thoughts there. |
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Oh.... That hurt. 
Perhaps you didn't read the OP's response...........
| quote | Originally posted by mcfrandon:
i get that question all the time.. just personal preference really. I dont want to be another SBC or LS guy we have handfulls of them running around... its nice to have something different even if it is a pain. I do like the fact that its DOHC and mates up with the tranny easily. I will get it right eventually but for now im going to get a thousand miles on this motor and see where we are. |
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Now.... Why don't you start your own thread and post your BS statement there.
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Will
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JAN 22, 09:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by mcfrandon:
been trying to drive it more often to try and get things seated nicely before i run it hard. seems to use a quart every hundred miles. holy cow. in that case i might be looking for a new short block sooner than later if it doesnt slow down. after doing some searching looks like either GM or hastings rings are best with no hone of course, and might as well put rods and maybe pistons in it |
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Been there. It won't get better. You may need to find another block with the factory hone or hone your current block properly to restore the bore surface finish, and get oversize pistons. I don't think there are any shelf oversize pistons.
| quote | Originally posted by mcfrandon:
here is something i just found.... 93-95 pistons have a 1.53mm top ring groove. 96-99 pistons have a 1.23mm top ring groove... my rebuild kit was for ordered for the 97 block i have but i reused the pistons out of the 94 because they were already cleaned and under the impression they were the same for all years. So my top ring is .30mm too thin wow.
also... going through the catalogue on rockauto it shows the same pistons for all years but points to the 93-95 piston ring. so if you order pistons under the 96-99 year you have to go back out and look up rings for the 93-95 year to get the right ones. |
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Umm... yeah, that'll hurt your oil consumption too, as well as not making much power. There aren't many year to year changes, but you seem to be having trouble with all of them  [This message has been edited by Will (edited 01-22-2016).]
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Will
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JAN 22, 09:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by IXSLR8:
If you don't have anything positive to contribute to this thread, why don't you start a new thread and post your thoughts there. |
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Don't feed the trolls. If he had any skill or experience building real engines, he'd be offering helpful advice, not being a jerk.
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Thunderstruck GT
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JAN 22, 10:19 PM
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Thunderstruck GT
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JAN 22, 10:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Will:
Don't feed the trolls. If he had any skill or experience building real engines, he'd be offering helpful advice, not being a jerk. |
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CRICKETS!?!?
I noticed your location is "Where you least expect me". You must be referring to the garage.
Sorry to the OP for this O/T BS but if idiots are going to call me out they better know who they are dealing with. I have owned more cars and worked on more cars by the time I was 25 than some fools will in 2 of their lifetimes.[This message has been edited by Thunderstruck GT (edited 01-22-2016).]
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mcfrandon
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JAN 23, 12:19 AM
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looking through the after market piston selection it looks like they have oversizes in .25 .50 and .75.... interesting but thats $400 not including rings/rebore.
but im going to get the right piston and ring setup in there and see where im at first. besides the rings all i will need is another pair of headgaskets and rod bearings to get in and out of there.
i know im being ignorant about the cylinder bores but the hone is still there and it measures out good. I want to at least give this a go before i tear everything apart completely and start over from scratch again..
I wonder how much power im missing out on
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Will
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JAN 23, 08:04 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by mcfrandon:
looking through the after market piston selection it looks like they have oversizes in .25 .50 and .75.... interesting but thats $400 not including rings/rebore.
but im going to get the right piston and ring setup in there and see where im at first. besides the rings all i will need is another pair of headgaskets and rod bearings to get in and out of there.
i know im being ignorant about the cylinder bores but the hone is still there and it measures out good. I want to at least give this a go before i tear everything apart completely and start over from scratch again..
I wonder how much power im missing out on |
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If you don't mind taking the engine down a couple more times (you've done it enough, itt should be easy by now! ), go for it. Do you have photos of the bores? How were they honed? If they're on size, then they can't have been honed much. Do you have a torque plate?[This message has been edited by Will (edited 01-23-2016).]
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mcfrandon
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JAN 24, 03:14 AM
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i do have a few pictures but can't post them cause my computer is down. i got the engine out and torn down tonight. still a nice hone in the bore... it does look like a finer hone then i remember seeing on but there is also a deeper hone pattern beneath it..
the top ring was definitely the wrong size for that piston. im actually going to use the 97 pistons just so i can keep the same year going here. looks like they moved the ring up a bit as well
no i dont have a torque plate and it was not honed using one unfortunately
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