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RotrexFiero
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JAN 02, 07:45 PM
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Dennis LaGrua
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JAN 02, 08:39 PM
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theogre
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JAN 03, 02:35 AM
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⚠️ Warning:
TEL was Worse then Lead itself.
DuPont Chambers Works in Pennsville Township NJ made that and still cleaning up the site. Also poison many workers.
Because TEL, unlike raw Lead, goes thru Skin and more quickly lead poison anyone that handle it. IOW By the time you wash off your hands, TEL has gotten thru your skin.
Is a Big Reason Why many know Do Not use Gasoline to clean or use as a solvent for any work.
Other "Octane Boosters" and Gas additives can have same problem or pollute/poison in other ways.
Example: US and others EPA force Refiners to use MTBE to "Clean the Air" now Obama "ban" the stuff because Giant Water Pollution Problems. (Ignore Ethanol issue right now.) Literally a few drops in a large lake and you can't drink the water. Leaking Bulk Tanks and drivers spilling gas at Gas stations etc have polluted surface water and many Aquifers.
Acetone Toluene Xylene and many others are regulated under VOC and other pollution regs by EPA and more.
In more places these solvents are hard or impossible to get and many Formulas of whatever have been change to reduce or eliminated them.
If you get caught w/ large amounts, a State "EPA" can make huge legal problems in Criminal and/or Civil Courts. More so because 99+% DIYers don't Transport or Store it right to follow Fire and other codes/regs.
Then add many Octane Boosters and Cleaners can cause Fuel System and other problems for your car.
Many Older GM and some other Fuel Injectors Hate many Fuel Additives you use including many commercial cleaners.
Example: Many port injectors have coils in direct contact w/ fuel to cool them and many Aftermarket additives attacks the insulation.------------------
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.
(Jurassic Park)
The Ogre's Fiero Cave
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Dennis LaGrua
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JAN 03, 06:45 AM
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Takes you back to the day when people thought that putting mothballs in the tank increased octane. It was proven that method actually can destroy an engine. Where is the evidence that these pills work and are safe to use? Appears to me to be a hoax------------------
" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Spintech/Hedman Exhaust, P-log Manifold, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, Champion Radiator, S10 Brake Booster, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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theogre
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JAN 03, 12:10 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:
Takes you back to the day when people thought that putting mothballs in the tank increased octane. It was proven that method actually can destroy an engine. Where is the evidence that these pills work and are safe to use? Appears to me to be a hoax |
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1 example: Will Mothballs in Gas Destroy an Engine? Let's Find Out! Project Farm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_-kFYsJ_H4
Is and Was several types of Mothballs made more confusion. Not all are made of Naphthalene and ones that are often have other crap that could cause problems. Many are made of dichlorobenzene and output of burning is acid and other crap. All can kill the engine, cat, etc.
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pmbrunelle
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JAN 03, 12:24 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by theogre:
⚠️ Warning:
TEL was Worse then Lead itself.
DuPont Chambers Works in Pennsville Township NJ made that and still cleaning up the site. Also poison many workers.
Because TEL, unlike raw Lead, goes thru Skin and more quickly lead poison anyone that handle it. IOW By the time you wash off your hands, TEL has gotten thru your skin.
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Metallic lead really isn't that bad.
I regularly do electronics soldering with Sn/Pb wire. The health concern there isn't the lead, it's the flux fumes.
Big difference between elemental metals and more soluble compounds containing them.
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RotrexFiero
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JAN 03, 05:32 PM
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This is an interesting piece of research showing the use of acetone as a fuel additive. They conclude acetone does so increase engine performance and can function as a worthy fuel additive.
If anything, read the abstract but the research experiment was rigorous.
https://www.sciencedirect.c...ii/S2215098615302469
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Dennis LaGrua
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JAN 04, 08:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by RotrexFiero:
This is an interesting piece of research showing the use of acetone as a fuel additive. They conclude acetone does so increase engine performance and can function as a worthy fuel additive.
If anything, read the abstract but the research experiment was rigorous.
https://www.sciencedirect.c...ii/S2215098615302469 |
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I do not doubt that Acetone will raise gasoline octane but to do so it may require a large amount. The article references a 10% mix and that would be 1.2 gallons about $15 worth. Acetone is not a cheap chemical and we don't know it it has the potential to damage the fuel pump or injectors.
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" THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, custom ZZP /Frozen Boost Intercooler setup, 3.4" Pulley, Northstar TB, LS1 MAF, 3" Spintech/Hedman Exhaust, P-log Manifold, Autolite 104's, MSD wires, Custom CAI, 4T65eHD w. custom axles, Champion Radiator, S10 Brake Booster, HP Tuners VCM Suite.
"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE " [This message has been edited by Dennis LaGrua (edited 01-04-2022).]
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edfiero
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JAN 05, 10:15 AM
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I use a mix of 50% E85 and 50% Premium 93 in my SD4.
Required a retune of the ECU, but took care of my knock issues.
Works great since I can tune the ECU myself, but E85 is not widely available and I am worried my source might dry up.
It would be good to a have a cost friendly alternative.
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theogre
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JAN 05, 01:42 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by edfiero:
I use a mix of 50% E85 and 50% Premium 93 in my SD4.
Required a retune of the ECU, but took care of my knock issues.
Works great since I can tune the ECU myself, but E85 is not widely available and I am worried my source might dry up. |
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This isn't an options at all for most because E85 isn't available in many places and non "Flex Fuel" vehicles reprogram to use it has problems when can't get E85 or any other mix > E10.
GM et al sells "Flex Fuel" out the ass to get Federal CAFE points knowing most of them never seeing E85 or even E15.
(E10 isn't going away because millions of vehicles even made now are damaged use E15 or higher. E15 is PR stunt by greenies to justify higher cost to force "Flex Fuel" vehicles in places can't get E85 for many reasons to help pushing the Corn Con.)
Ignoring Cost... Most can't get Denatured Ethanol/alcohol > 98.x% in large amounts either. Everclear and Most "Laboratory-Grade" products are only 95% max. You need super pure ethanol to mix w/ gas. Even if could get, most will store poorly and let Ethanol draw water from air and be useless as won't mix.
Now the cost... W/o E85 fake low price per gallon/litter, 95%/190poof Denatured alcohol can cost big time. $20+ per litter to $400-500 per 55gal Drum plus often Shipping at HAZMAT rates.
Then add more cost and equipment to get more water out to reach 98.x% to mix w/ gas.
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