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Thunderstruck GT
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DEC 20, 04:48 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Will:
This is the only thing you've said in this thread that approaches being a fact:
FACT: GM has built millions of aluminum block LS engines with head bolts.
FACT: Steel inserts in a Northstar block result in a permanent fix.
FACT: For the MY 2005 GM eliminated the head bolt thread problem by changing the Northstar head bolt thread pitch from 11x1.5 to 11x2.0, matching the LS engines.
The rest of what you've said is opinion... and lousy opinion at that.
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Is that a fact or just your opinion?
What about the 3 piece blocks with NO gaskets in between that leak like a sieve? Must be just another "opinion" huh?
I've owned a several in my days of various years, all were big POS.
This was my last..... My very last:
The problem I see here is someone says something and everyone else must agree with them, no matter how wrong.
I don't pat people on the back just to make them feel good if I know there are issues or better ways. I present to them the "other" side when I know there is one and let them decide. If they choose to ignore it and complain later, at least I know I warned them and sometimes will be right there to say "I told you so".
What do you get out of sugar-coating something?[This message has been edited by Thunderstruck GT (edited 12-20-2015).]
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dobey
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DEC 20, 05:20 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
Truth obviously hurts and by advising people to the facts that the Northstar is a very unreliable money pit, I am be "helpful". Hell, the 2.8-V6 is a better platform.
And if you ever want to put your mechanical skills against mine, bring your cash.
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LOL. If you want to talk facts, then stop trying to push your opinions on others, and stick to the facts. Also, not helpful are ad hominem attacks, which you seem to like to do as well.
Fact: Early Northstar blocks had a manufacturing defect in the block, for the head bolt threads, which only becomes an issue generally around the 100-120K miles mark, and for which a TSB was issued to remedy the defect through the use of a timesert, and which was remedied in manufacturing in later engine blocks.
Opinions: Northstars are a junk money pit. Using head bolts with aluminum heads is "a bad design." Northstar engines need excessive maintenance and repair.
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dobey
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DEC 20, 05:25 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
I'll tell you what.....
I have stated facts of what makes the Northstar a poor chioce. Other than the horsepower over the 2.8L, what makes them so good??? |
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You did not state facts. You regurgitated your opinion as if it were fact.
I never said whether the Northstar was a good choice or not. I am not making any such claim on whether it is good or bad. I merely stated facts and pointed the OP in a direction to further his own knowledge and understanding, so that he can make his own choices about what he thinks is good or bad in terms of an engine swap.
There are many reasons to choose a Northstar for an engine swap, just as there are many reasons to choose any engine, be it a rebuilt 2.8, Northstar, SBC, LSx, or a BMW V12. They all have advantages and disadvantages. It's up to the person doing the swap to decide what they want, not you.
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Will
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DEC 20, 05:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
What about the 3 piece blocks with NO gaskets in between that leak like a sieve?
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Oh Noes... you found *ONE* engine that was assembled incorrectly. How unforgivable. 
If you think they're POS's, why do you keep buying them? 
The case halves I put together haven't leaked. I don't know what your problem is.
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Thunderstruck GT
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DEC 20, 05:37 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by dobey:
You did not state facts. You regurgitated your opinion as if it were fact.
I never said whether the Northstar was a good choice or not. I am not making any such claim on whether it is good or bad. I merely stated facts and pointed the OP in a direction to further his own knowledge and understanding, so that he can make his own choices about what he thinks is good or bad in terms of an engine swap.
There are many reasons to choose a Northstar for an engine swap, just as there are many reasons to choose any engine, be it a rebuilt 2.8, Northstar, SBC, LSx, or a BMW V12. They all have advantages and disadvantages. It's up to the person doing the swap to decide what they want, not you. |
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Plenty of BS out of you and still nothing about what makes a Northstar so good. Nothing about the leaky 3 piece blocks either. All I see is you bashing me for pointing out the not so great side of the Northstar.
I will also tell you that Caddy mechanics call a Northstar a "Quad Whore times 2". Hmmmm.... I wonder why?[This message has been edited by Thunderstruck GT (edited 12-20-2015).]
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Thunderstruck GT
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DEC 20, 05:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Will:
Oh Noes... you found *ONE* engine that was assembled incorrectly. How unforgivable.
If you think they're POS's, why do you keep buying them?
The case halves I put together haven't leaked. I don't know what your problem is. |
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If they are so good please enlighten me as to why you had to take them apart?
I've never had to "seal" an engine block of any other kind..... EVER!
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dobey
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DEC 20, 05:46 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
Plenty of BS out of you and still nothing about what makes a Northstar so good. All I see is you bashing me for pointing out the not so great side of the Northstar.
I will also tell you that Caddy mechanics call a Northstar a "Quad Whore times 2". Hmmmm.... I wonder why? |
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Plenty of BS out of you, and you still keep assuming I'm somehow stating a Northstar is good. I am making no such claims. Rather, unlike you, I have simply stated actual facts.
I'm not bashing you for pointing the not so great side of the Northstar. I'm pointing out how much of an asshat you are being by constantly espousing your opinion on various engines that you personally dislike, every time someone makes a thread about them on this forum, and then trying to claim your opinion is fact, and that anyone whom posts a dissenting statement to what you said, is "defending" the engines or talking about how great they are.
Fine, I'll tell you how great they are. One time I was driving along the highway and I saw a Northstar pulling a baby out of a burning Fiero. That Northstar should run for President, it's so great.
And your statement clearly shows the level of intellect in the Caddy mechanics you're reciting. I guess they didn't have enough work to do, since they had so much time to ***** about Northstars and Quad4s.
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dobey
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DEC 20, 05:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Thunderstruck GT:
If they are so good please enlighten me as to why you had to take them apart?
I've never had to "seal" an engine block of any other kind..... EVER! |
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I guess you've never build an engine of any kind, EVER, either then.
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countachmike
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DEC 20, 05:53 PM
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Tried looking for that computer but no luck. Found a Northstar though.
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dobey
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DEC 20, 05:59 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by countachmike:
Tried looking for that computer but no luck. Found a Northstar though. |
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Relevant thread re: Shelby tune: http://www.fiero.nl/cgi-bin...ad=20130314-2-087521
It's in the archives, so no new comments on it, and I don't know what happened to the poster, but maybe some good info in there.
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