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I wonder if, those we elected will read that bill............................
I doubt I'll ever forget then Speaker Pelosi saying the representatives would have to vote for that pending bill in order to be able to read it.
Based on news reports, my understanding is one of the big hang ups is how the BBB affects rural hospitals but there may be more.

Edited: I got to page 22 when my eyes started crossing and my eyelids were closing. Hope our elected officials have folks up on this.

Rams

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: I wonder if, those we elected will read that bill............................ I doubt I'll ever forget then Speaker Pelosi saying the representatives would have to vote for that pending bill in order to be able to read it.

You are either misremembering what she said or remembering having read an inaccurate account of it. While Nancy Pelosi is absolutely a crook and thief who does more damage to her party by existing as the symbol of graft that she is, it's pretty clear what she meant by what she said, even if you don't read her explanation of her own words.

She never said that they would have to pass it before they read it, and actually encourage both Democrats and Republicans to read the bill. She was commenting that there was so much controversy around it, the general public would see for themselves that some of the outlandish claims being made about it (death panels and the such) were untrue once the bill was passed. The entire context of what she said is here:

quote You've heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don't know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention–it's about diet, not diabetes. It's going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

Importantly, this was not a comment made to her fellow legislators or representatives (as you clearly indicate you believe) but to the National Association of Counties who would not be voting on it at all. The context of "you have to pass it to read it" doesn't even make sense when applied to that circumstance. The ACA, by the way, was openly debated for 8 months. There were complaints that there wasn't enough time to view the reconciliation portion after it passed, because the representatives were only give 7 days. That portion was 153 pages long.

Let's compare that to the Trump administration's current attempt to massively increase federal spending, which is a 943 page bill that the text of was dropped on June 27th, with only 7 days of total time to read it before the bill's July 4th deadline (as opposed to the ACA's more-than-8-months).

Editing to add: Trump has also been actively threatening anyone who does not support the bill, whether or not they have read it.

This is bad faith whataboutism at its absolute worst.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Based on news reports, my understanding is one of the big hang ups is how the BBB affects rural hospitals but there may be more. Edited: I got to page 22 when my eyes started crossing and my eyelids were closing. Hope our elected officials have folks up on this. Rams

I think the issues are more with:
The planned $2.8 trillion this will add to the deficit
The shady accounting it legislates to hide its actual costs
The runaway borrowing that feels a lot like Bernie's insane MMT policies
The disproportionate cuts to wealthy non-job-creating entities that don't have any clear benefit to American businesses or consumers

...but that's just from an economic conservative perspective. There's a ton in there my libertarian side has issues with, but most of the MAGA folks are going to see those as big wins, so I don't see any point in bringing them up here

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