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Raydar
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MAY 22, 08:10 PM
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Yeah. I know. I already started a thread about this, but it's been a minute. I didn't want to keep beating on this, in case the wheels fell off, but it seems to be all but a done deal.
The resolutions (CRAs 87, 88, and 89) have passed the House and the Senate. All they need is the President's signature.
More to come.
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Vintage-Nut
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MAY 22, 09:16 PM
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Doug85GT
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MAY 22, 10:48 PM
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I never thought this day would come. They are finally going to put a stake into the black heart of CARB. Those power drunk tyrants at CARB will not be able to undo it since this is a legislative action at the federal level. The tyrants can only blame themselves. They wanted to mandate only electric trains allowed in the state. They were trying to mandate all electric vehicles, all electric yard tools, ban natural gas furnaces and appliances. They are out of their freaking minds.
Part of me still will not believe it is real until I see my registration renewal next year. When there is no more smog test requirement I will save it and frame it.
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Jake_Dragon
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MAY 23, 03:36 AM
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When I see it I will believe it.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 23, 08:27 AM
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Oh man... that's so sad.
This is my sad face:
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NewDustin
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MAY 23, 11:08 AM
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Me: "Hey, maybe it'll be easier to put reasonable swaps into classic cars!"
This CRA Resolution: Solely benefits new car manufacturers.
Me: "Well **** then"
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 23, 12:27 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
Me: "Hey, maybe it'll be easier to put reasonable swaps into classic cars!"
This CRA Resolution: Solely benefits new car manufacturers.
Me: "Well **** then" |
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Damnit... I'm trying to look up California's "CAFE" standards... but I can't look them up because there's some law about pot and cafes and Google shits that out. But I think the one I really want to have destroyed are the CAFE standards. Those are the ones that affect things like exhaust, intake restrictions, and a bunch of other things.
Probably the most obvious to me is when I start up my 1984 Corvette (I think it's a Z51, but it's too beat up to tell). Man... it sounds so awesome. You totally forget about the fact that the previous owner installed 4 horns, two positive battery cables (which both work?), or that there was a fire in one of the rear compartments because he wired up the 10 disc CD changer improperly, or that the paint is chipping. It sounds so awesome...
But then you have my neighbor's 1994 Chevrolet Corvette... which is the exact same color as my Corvette... same body style (C4, just a little more rounded), and also a 350 V8. His sounds so puny and quiet. He even commented one day... "Hey, how come yours sounds so much better than mine?"
... and it's all because of the CAFE standards... which pervaded throughout the states because it was easier to adjust to California's standards (in most cases) than it was to build separate things.
Even my daughter's 85 Fiero L4 sounds so much louder than most newer cars. Everything is about sound abatement and forgetting that you even have an engine I suppose.
CARB... I think modern cars are pretty damned efficient today, so if we're being really honest with ourselves... eliminating CARB shouldn't really cause any concern for "environmentalists" (of which I tend to consider myself one). Modern cars are already meeting a very aggressive standard. This just takes some of the pressure off vehicle manufacturers, who would have been forced to make EVs instead of gas powered vehicles... which as we know, directly funds China.
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NewDustin
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MAY 23, 12:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Damnit... I'm trying to look up California's "CAFE" standards... but I can't look them up because there's some law about pot and cafes and Google shits that out. But I think the one I really want to have destroyed are the CAFE standards. Those are the ones that affect things like exhaust, intake restrictions, and a bunch of other things.
Probably the most obvious to me is when I start up my 1984 Corvette (I think it's a Z51, but it's too beat up to tell). Man... it sounds so awesome. You totally forget about the fact that the previous owner installed 4 horns, two positive battery cables (which both work?), or that there was a fire in one of the rear compartments because he wired up the 10 disc CD changer improperly, or that the paint is chipping. It sounds so awesome...
But then you have my neighbor's 1994 Chevrolet Corvette... which is the exact same color as my Corvette... same body style (C4, just a little more rounded), and also a 350 V8. His sounds so puny and quiet. He even commented one day... "Hey, how come yours sounds so much better than mine?"
... and it's all because of the CAFE standards... which pervaded throughout the states because it was easier to adjust to California's standards (in most cases) than it was to build separate things.
Even my daughter's 85 Fiero L4 sounds so much louder than most newer cars. Everything is about sound abatement and forgetting that you even have an engine I suppose.
CARB... I think modern cars are pretty damned efficient today, so if we're being really honest with ourselves... eliminating CARB shouldn't really cause any concern for "environmentalists" (of which I tend to consider myself one). Modern cars are already meeting a very aggressive standard. This just takes some of the pressure off vehicle manufacturers, who would have been forced to make EVs instead of gas powered vehicles... which as we know, directly funds China. |
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Boy did this ever send me down a rabbit hole...
The wacky thing is that I'm going to have to register my Fiero as a classic car in NV in order to complete my 3800 swap the way I want (smog stuff removed); our engine swap limitations are nearly identical to CA's outside of that, but based on independent NV state law (and Clark County laws beyond that). Even eliminating CARB and CAFE would likely have little impact across the states, unless they independently re-adopted lesser standards as well. It's not a dragon, it's a damn hydra.
I'd generally consider myself an environmentalist, but so much of this makes little sense to me. If I'm swapping in a newer, more efficient, less-polluting engine -and can prove that's what I'm doing- why would you discourage me by making it nearly administratively impossible to do so? Because it still pollutes less even without the EGR valve? That's not environmentalism, that's BS.
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Doug85GT
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MAY 23, 02:14 PM
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Jake_Dragon
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MAY 29, 02:23 PM
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Even with the inspections every two years CA especially LA county are impacted by SMOG, the number of cars on the road here is staggering.
During Covid lock down the skies cleared up, the air quality was the best its been in a very long time.
Feds handed out money to states to build infrastructure. "Roads" California took advantage of that and the state has more roads than anywhere I have ever lived.
They created their own hell out here. I do agree that they need to keep it under control but there are better ways to do it.
Aftermarket is almost non-existent due to the regulations. How a driveshaft impacts the air I don't understand.
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