Why Nixon was the best president we've ever had... (Page 1/2)
82-T/A [At Work] MAY 18, 12:14 PM
I hear a lot of talk about the Big Lie... but no one has ever defined it... I don't think it's real.

Nixon though... one of the best presidents ever. Created the EPA, fought hard for women's rights... even initiated the creation the Privacy Act of 1974 (even though he didn't get to sign it) which has led to the cornerstone of FERPA, HIPAA, and several others that are now the mainstay.

Let's all give a big cheer for Nixon... I think even most Democrats liked him, especially after the original Democrats were all racist.


The Big Lie though... we know that's all just silly talk.
Mike in Sydney MAY 19, 06:17 AM
Todd,

I rarely agree with anything that you post and I don’t agree with your premise that Nixon is the best president that the U.S. ever had. He is, however, infinitely more capable and qualified than the current office holder.

Nixon had a few accomplishments that are quite notable. He ended the draft; he enacted policies to protect the environment; he negotiated arms control with Russia; he established diplomatic relations with communist China. All of these accomplishments show that he saw the big picture and realised that the U.S. has a larger role to play in the world.

Tricky Dick’s reputation, however, is marred by Watergate where, he lied, obfuscated, blamed others, and felt that he was above the rest of the U.S citizenry. This led to his resignation in August 1974, when he became the first U.S. president to resign.

Best U.S. president? No. That honour belongs to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Better than the current president? In my mind, without a doubt.

(Edited for spelling)

[This message has been edited by Mike in Sydney (edited 05-19-2025).]

82-T/A [At Work] MAY 19, 06:21 AM

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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:

Todd,

I rarely agree with anything that you post and I don’t agree with you premise that Nixon is the best president that the U.S. ever had. He is, however, infinitely more capable and qualified than the current office holder.

Nixon had a few accomplishments that are quite notable. He ended the draft; he enacted policies to protect the environment; he negotiated arms control with Russia; he established diplomatic relations with communist China. All of these accomplishments show that he saw the big picture and realised that the U.S. has a larger role to play in the world.

Tricky Dick’s reputation, however, is marred by Watergate where, he lied, obfuscated, blamed others, and felt that he was above the rest of the U.S citizenry. This led to his resignation in August 1974, when he became the first U.S. president to resign.

Best U.S. president? No. That honour belongs to Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Better than the current president? In my mind, without a doubt.




WHOOOSH!!!!
olejoedad MAY 19, 10:26 AM
I don't agree with either of you.
NewDustin MAY 19, 03:21 PM
Too clever for your own good on this one Todd
To be fair to ol' Tricky Dick, he was never convicted of anything and still lost all that support and resigned in disgrace once folks realized he was a crook. Almost enough to make you nostalgic...the times -like the Republicans that live in them- they are a-changin’.
randye MAY 20, 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
WHOOOSH!!!!




Yup.

About 3 feet over the top.

It's a perfect example of why leftists can't meme either.
82-T/A [At Work] MAY 20, 09:50 AM

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Originally posted by randye:
Yup.

About 3 feet over the top.

It's a perfect example of why leftists can't meme either.




Honestly... he kind of revealed something. Mike in Sydney has said many times that he used to be a Republican. Yet... he says that FDR was the best president we've ever had. Generally, the only person who'd say that would be someone who was very left-leaning. It bothers me that people seem to think that pretending like you used to be a member of a party gives you more cred in the party you are now (or ... I don't know, make that make sense). I used to actually be a Democrat... I did vote for Bill Clinton as the first president I could actually vote for. Mostly... I didn't really know what I was voting for since I did what my teachers (in Fairfax County, VA) told me to vote for. But I thought Bill Clinton was a pretty decent president, and I still do...

The last President to actually make a MEANINGFUL speech on space and space exploration, was President Clinton. Regan, Nixon, and of course... JFK all made great speeches on space travel... with I'd say JFK's being the most impactful. Reagan probably second, though not all for great reasons, and Nixon on the creation of the Space Shuttle Program (which of course, Reagan saved). But since Clinton, neither Obama, Bush Jr., or Trump made any meaningful public statements about NASA. Bush Jr. made a re-alignment speech, but it was thrown in with other things, and Trump mentioned it briefly too... though to be fair, Trump is the only one who's increased funding for NASA (barely) since Clinton. But Obama flat-out detested it, and viewed any money spent on space exploration as a waste that should be used for community purposes.

Anyway, I'm rambling now... but I liked Clinton because he's basically what Trump is today. Trump echo's much of Clinton's policies during the 90s... he's even instituting a lot of similar things that Gingrich pushed with the Contract for America (though Gingrich is decidedly better than Mike Johnson). But I legitimately have more or less been the same. My views on gays and abortion have changed (I now support gay marriage, am now against abortion, and am now against the death penalty). But people like Mike are fake. I'd be willing to bet he's always been very left-leaning.

FDR is the pinnacle of America's socialist era. FDR created the Social Security Administration, and grew government the likes no one had ever seen before. This goes well beyond Reagan's big red blob which was to combat Russia's military threat... FDR went roughshod over the Constitution in every single way the Democrats currently pretend to scream that Trump is doing right now. FDR disregarded Supreme Court rulings, then legitimately tried to pack the court with the Judicial Procedure's Reform bill because they ruled unfavorably to many aspects of his New Deal program. I mean, he even ran for multiple presidential terms, even though the unwritten standard at the time was 2 terms. FDR was, by all accounts, a true socialist president. He wasn't a bad guy (in my opinion), but the only real credit I can give him was that he actually used Keynesian economics in a way that was effective. There was none of the bull-**** they have today. He literally said... I want a dam built... anyone who wants a job, go here and we'll give you a decent pay, a place to live, and food. Obama and Biden's version of Keynesian economics was to create an insane spending bill... and then give it to corporations through the contract law process, which gets tied up in courts, union disputes, and eventually goes to foreign-owned businesses... all while... nearly 68% (I think is what we figured out), went to administrativa and never actually was spent on the things it was supposed to be spent on (like infrastructure, etc.).

So... thanks for the reveal Mike.
Mike in Sydney MAY 20, 07:32 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

So... thanks for the reveal Mike.



No worries, Todd. But once again, you are wrong, wrong, so wrong.

I don’t recall ever claiming to belong to the Republican or Democrat party. I’ve stated before that I’m moderate / centrist in my political views. I vote for the person (or party as we vote for in Australia) that in my mind, is best for the country and aligns with my beliefs. I’ve voted for candidates from all parties. I’ve voted for independents and have written in names because the choice on the ballot is so poor. I’ve been voting several elections longer than you but as a matter of fact, I’ve voted much the same as you so I guess that makes you a left-leaning voter, too.

BTW, your comments on FDR are pretty accurate but that doesn’t mean he’s not the best President the U.S. has had. He pulled the country out of a. Depression with WPA and other means, established care for the aged by establishing the SSA, and led the country through WW2. Tell me these aren’t good things.

So…right back at you, Todd, thanks for the reveal.
82-T/A [At Work] MAY 20, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:


No worries, Todd. But once again, you are wrong, wrong, so wrong.

I don’t recall ever claiming to belong to the Republican or Democrat party. I’ve stated before that I’m moderate / centrist in my political views. I vote for the person (or party as we vote for in Australia) that in my mind, is best for the country and aligns with my beliefs. I’ve voted for candidates from all parties. I’ve voted for independents and have written in names because the choice on the ballot is so poor. I’ve been voting several elections longer than you but as a matter of fact, I’ve voted much the same as you so I guess that makes you a left-leaning voter, too.

BTW, your comments on FDR are pretty accurate but that doesn’t mean he’s not the best President the U.S. has had. He pulled the country out of a. Depression with WPA and other means, established care for the aged by establishing the SSA, and led the country through WW2. Tell me these aren’t good things.

So…right back at you, Todd, thanks for the reveal.




Ah yes... a self-proclaimed "centrist" who votes for Kamala Harris.
Mike in Sydney MAY 21, 12:09 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Ah yes... a self-proclaimed "centrist" who votes for Kamala Harris.



Dang, Todd. You're making a habit of this.

Once again, you are wrong, wrong, so wrong. I didn't vote for Kamala Harris. As I said in an earlier post, I wrote in Liz Cheney. Why, you ask? Well, for two reasons:
  1. Liz Cheney presented a better option and represented my views better than (and in order of preference) Harris, Biden, anyone else, my cat, the buck kangaroo that hangs out in my sheep paddocks, Donald J Trump).
  2. As a former Alabama resident before coming to Australia, I have to absentee vote in the state of my last registry. As an Alabama voter, I realise that the chances of my vote swinging the Alabama Electoral College electors to the Democrat side of the ledger are highly unlikely, ergo see item 1.


Anyway, keep at it, Todd. You and I are likely to agree on something political if we keep digging.