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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 29, 07:53 AM
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One thing I've noticed in this sub forum... it has a decidedly awkward direction. Right-leaning people trash Democrats for the crazy things they do... talk about the Dem failed policies ... or failed whatever it is they're doing and how we should be doing "X" instead. The Democrats defend the actions of Biden, and talk about how horrible Trump is.
The one thing I've never, EVER seen though, is an actual discussion on what Democrat policies are.
It's made me realize, what exactly do Democrats stand for? Ray might tell you they stand for the "little guy," which is a term they came up with... same with Blue Collar (that's a socialist-derived term). We know that's NOT true at all because their policies have resulted in loss of manufacturing and are generally anti-middle class. They're actually even anti-lower income now too because they seem to be 100% for illegal immigrants (don't even know how that happened, but it did).
If I think about the Democrat platform, it's basically this:
- Eliminate Fossil Fuels
- Support Trans rights and men in women's sports
- Open Borders
- Tax the rich... maybe?
None of these seem like actual policies, or at least well-thought out ones. We know the Democrats aren't really for the environment... since nothing they've ever done has actually improved the environment. Their failed forest management leads to massive wildfires, they're the ones that allowed massive dumping of pesticides and chemicals into rivers (and using them on farms, etc.), where as it's been Republicans who are curbing these things. Their focus is on eliminating fossil fuels... saving the environment is the feigned point, but it has more to do with their partnership with China.
Can anyone actually tell me what the Democrat platform actually is... I mean, REALLY... not a fake list. Because to be quite honest with you, I don't think for the last 4 years anyone had any idea what Democrats stood for. I at least had some general idea what Obama wanted, even if I didn't agree with it. But under Biden, no one knew... and I still don't know what you people stand for.
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blackrams
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APR 29, 09:10 AM
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At this point, I don't think actual Dems know.
Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 04-30-2025).]
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olejoedad
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APR 29, 11:46 AM
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The policy of both parties (R & D) is control.
It would not be much of a stretch to lump R & D into one party, the Uniparty.
Everything else is secondary.
Trump ran as an R, IMHO not by choice, but running as an Independent was not do-able.
He has pretty much created a third party with the MAGA movement.
I do believe that this Administration is trying to do what they say, I e., reduce debt, rebalance trade, restore manufacturing and investment in the US, and enforce the law as written.
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ray b
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APR 29, 01:33 PM
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matter of degree
I think the current demo's are a bit less
greedy
corrupt
LYING
CHEATING
FAIRY TALE GUIDED
only if i get paid or other result
AND
more likely to see a common good result
OVER PARTY GAIN ONLY
BASED ON THE PARTY ROLE SWAP
EVIL THAT WAS NIXON
SUCKED IN THE CONNED SCUM FROM THE OLD SOUTH'S DEMO'S
SEMI-PURGING SOME OF THE WORST OVER RACE
THEN THE CON'S RE-PURGED ANY LIBERALS AND MODERATES ALSO FROM THE Gop
WHILE MANY BECAME INDIE'S SOME BECAME MODERN DEMO'S
AND AGAIN THE Gop TILTED EXTRA FAR RIGHT MORE RIDGED AND LESS CARING THEN EVER
REMEMBER I WAS IN THE Gop 60 TO 66 AND WATCHED THE RACIST JOIN THE Gop FROM IN SIDE
AND QUIT AS A DIRECT RESULT OF RACIST'S JOINING
BUT NEVER JOINED THE DEMO'S
SO BASED ON THE WHO JOINED WHEN
THE GOOD vs EVIL FLOW FOLLOWS THE RACISTS
BTW YES THE RUMP IS RACIST
LOOK WHO FLYS THE SOUTHERN BATTLE FLAG
IT AIN'T THE DEMO'S WHO ATTACKED THE CAPITAL
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Raydar
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APR 30, 10:10 AM
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And once again... all that Ray can contribute is that "Republicans suck", or "Trump Sucks", or "Elon Sucks", or "(insert Republican du Jour) sucks".
Nixon. Racist. RWNJ, bla-bla-bla...
It's why Trump won. He had a platform. He had a plan.
I looked, repeatedly, to see what Kamala stood for. She never said. Never.
The closest she ever came to having a plan was, "I wouldn't change a thing." Well, we saw how Brandon's "policies" worked. Where do I sign up for more of that? 
I can't answer "what even is a Democrat?" Because I don't know, anymore. And the media won't let us see.
But it's not the frothing at the mouth, Tesla burning, morons that are running around. Like any cross-section of society, the morons are the smallest minority, but are getting all the press coverage, because that's how the press operates. If it's not driven by an agenda (which is most likely) it's driven by the desire for views/clicks.
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ray b
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APR 30, 12:18 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar:
And once again... all that Ray can contribute is that "Republicans suck", or "Trump Sucks", or "Elon Sucks", or "(insert Republican du Jour) sucks".
Nixon. Racist. RWNJ, bla-bla-bla...
It's why Trump won. He had a platform. He had a plan.
I looked, repeatedly, to see what Kamala stood for. She never said. Never.
The closest she ever came to having a plan was, "I wouldn't change a thing." Well, we saw how Brandon's "policies" worked. Where do I sign up for more of that?
I can't answer "what even is a Democrat?" Because I don't know, anymore. And the media won't let us see.
But it's not the frothing at the mouth, Tesla burning, morons that are running around. Like any cross-section of society, the morons are the smallest minority, but are getting all the press coverage, because that's how the press operates. If it's not driven by an agenda (which is most likely) it's driven by the desire for views/clicks. |
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DOES THE CULT GET THAT THEY ONLY SEE THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLES
THE CONCENTRATION ON THE FEW IS VERY DISTORTED
THE NORMAL; MIDDLE IS NOT NEWS WORTHY
AND YES MEDIA IS CAPITALIST
IF THE MEDIA LOST MONEY IT DON'T LAST LONG
BTW THE RUMP HAS CONTRACTED THE GDP BY 0.3%
AS IN NO GROWTH 0.3 LESS THEN JOE DID SO FAR
BTW WHILE THE CULT ONLY TALKS ABOUT THE DEMO = MORONS
WHILE THE DUMBEST ARE THE MAGA FANS IN MASS BY MANY OBJECTIVE MEASURES
LIKE INCOME NET WORTH IQ SCHOOL RESULTS OR THE JUDGEMENT OF THEIR COMMUNITY
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Raydar
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APR 30, 07:35 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
DOES THE CULT GET THAT THEY ONLY SEE THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLES
THE CONCENTRATION ON THE FEW IS VERY DISTORTED
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"THE RUMP" |
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Ever listen to yourself?
You get to own that sh!t. No sympathy from me.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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APR 30, 09:19 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by ray b:
DOES THE CULT GET THAT THEY ONLY SEE THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLES
THE CONCENTRATION ON THE FEW IS VERY DISTORTED
THE NORMAL; MIDDLE IS NOT NEWS WORTHY
AND YES MEDIA IS CAPITALIST
IF THE MEDIA LOST MONEY IT DON'T LAST LONG
BTW THE RUMP HAS CONTRACTED THE GDP BY 0.3%
AS IN NO GROWTH 0.3 LESS THEN JOE DID SO FAR
BTW WHILE THE CULT ONLY TALKS ABOUT THE DEMO = MORONS
WHILE THE DUMBEST ARE THE MAGA FANS IN MASS BY MANY OBJECTIVE MEASURES
LIKE INCOME NET WORTH IQ SCHOOL RESULTS OR THE JUDGEMENT OF THEIR COMMUNITY |
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Respectfully, I don't even really know what you're saying.
Again I ask... what exactly is the Democrat party's platform?
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Kitopher
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MAY 02, 12:56 AM
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As someone who considers myself a democrat(more or less) I will do my best to list out what I believe to be the polices that the party supports.
A main tenant of the democratic party is the idea of increasing taxes on the ultra-rich, and then using that money to improve the lives of the average American. This could be accomplished through increasing funding for public healthcare, public education, environmental protection regulations/research, food safety/quality regulations/research, investment in infrastructure...just to name a few I can think of right now.
A key aspect of the ideology of the party is that of equal rights for everyone, including/especially marginalized groups. This includes trans people, gay people, immigrants(legal or otherwise), as well as low and middle class working people. Part of that equal rights belief is that the rights of someone living in the United States should not depend of which state they currently reside in. This is where the strong push for national legalization of gay marriage came from. That is where the push for abortion access comes from, as well as trans rights. The party supports the notion that no matter who you are, or where within the country you are, you should have the exact same rights as everybody else, like marriage and bodily autonomy.
To touch on some of your coments, anit-deforestation policies do not and have not led to more wildfires, that is just straight up false. Policies like Trump's that opens up nationally protected land for logging do nothing but decrease the natural beauty of our incredible country, while leaving it worse for future generations, with the only upside being a temporary increase in money/materials.
Democrats are staunchly more pro-regulation than republicans. I don't know where you got the notion that democrats directly led to chemical dumps in rivers, but the conservative supreme court recently ruled in favor of coorperations directly challenging the EPA. Trump has also signicantly reduced staffing and funding for numerous government agencies meant to conduct research and uphold regulations regarding food/water safety.
I will agree that democrats are anti-fossil fuels, although I have not found any credible sources linking that policy to Chinese relations within the party. I personally believe that the push for electric cars is too much too soon, as battery technology is not very recyclable and the current power grid is still majority powered by fossil fuels, so EVs will likely only worsen the environment until major changes in those fields are made. I'd love to see more nuclear power but thats another topic...
Anyways I hope this answers most of your questions.
I would recommend looking at Pete Buttigieg and his appearances on various conservative podcasts/news/talkshows. He seems to do a very good job at communicating democratic policies in a way that republicans understand well and resonate with.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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MAY 02, 09:43 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Kitopher:
As someone who considers myself a democrat(more or less) I will do my best to list out what I believe to be the polices that the party supports.
A main tenant of the democratic party is the idea of increasing taxes on the ultra-rich, and then using that money to improve the lives of the average American. This could be accomplished through increasing funding for public healthcare, public education, environmental protection regulations/research, food safety/quality regulations/research, investment in infrastructure...just to name a few I can think of right now.
A key aspect of the ideology of the party is that of equal rights for everyone, including/especially marginalized groups. This includes trans people, gay people, immigrants(legal or otherwise), as well as low and middle class working people. Part of that equal rights belief is that the rights of someone living in the United States should not depend of which state they currently reside in. This is where the strong push for national legalization of gay marriage came from. That is where the push for abortion access comes from, as well as trans rights. The party supports the notion that no matter who you are, or where within the country you are, you should have the exact same rights as everybody else, like marriage and bodily autonomy.
To touch on some of your coments, anit-deforestation policies do not and have not led to more wildfires, that is just straight up false. Policies like Trump's that opens up nationally protected land for logging do nothing but decrease the natural beauty of our incredible country, while leaving it worse for future generations, with the only upside being a temporary increase in money/materials.
Democrats are staunchly more pro-regulation than republicans. I don't know where you got the notion that democrats directly led to chemical dumps in rivers, but the conservative supreme court recently ruled in favor of coorperations directly challenging the EPA. Trump has also signicantly reduced staffing and funding for numerous government agencies meant to conduct research and uphold regulations regarding food/water safety.
I will agree that democrats are anti-fossil fuels, although I have not found any credible sources linking that policy to Chinese relations within the party. I personally believe that the push for electric cars is too much too soon, as battery technology is not very recyclable and the current power grid is still majority powered by fossil fuels, so EVs will likely only worsen the environment until major changes in those fields are made. I'd love to see more nuclear power but thats another topic...
Anyways I hope this answers most of your questions.
I would recommend looking at Pete Buttigieg and his appearances on various conservative podcasts/news/talkshows. He seems to do a very good job at communicating democratic policies in a way that republicans understand well and resonate with. |
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On the forest thing, which makes me think this is Fredtoast... it is WELL ESTABLISHED that lack of forest management has resulted in severe and uncontrolled wildfires. Please stop spreading misinformation.
Decades of mismanagement led to choked forests — now it's time to clear them out, fire experts say
https://www.nbcnews.com/new...-time-clear-n1243599
Devastating Fires Show Forest Management Reforms Are Badly Needed
https://reason.org/policy-b...s-management-reform/
On chemicals in the river, etc. Florida is a perfect case study, same with Mississippi, and other states that exist along a river. Up until about the year 2000... the entire south was SOLID blue. In 1996, when I moved to South Florida, it was far more a bastion of Democrat politics than California is today. It shows how quickly things can change. Florida had almost unanimously Democrats across the board in every state level office. Governor on down. We had 1 Republican senator, and 1 democrat senator in the Federal government, but the local legislature was Democrat. They'd authorized massive chemical use in pesticides, etc., and routinely dumped them into the everglades, despite repeated warnings. It wasn't until the Republicans eventually swept the state house, that they started restricting the use of chemicals and the dumping of them into the waterways. Remember that the EPA, the National Park Service, the division of Forestry, etc., are all constructs of the Republican party. It wasn't even until Florida had a massive super majority in the local house and senate that they actually made big changes to wetland protection and mitigation. Matter of fact, wetland mitigation policies weren't even implemented in Florida until the Republican party swept the house in the 2004 local election. Nearly every southern state has a near-identical history like this.... an entire history of Democrat rule since before the civil war, all eventually becoming Republican over the next 10-15 years from 2000-2015... even Kentucky is still a primarily Democrat state, with a Democrat governor. As you know Fred, I was a Democrat and voted Democrat back in the late 90s as well... and continued to vote a mixed ballot with Democrats on it until around 2012, at which point I realized the party had left me behind.
On everything else... you've managed to more or less identify two "policies," but dragged them out into huge paragraphs to make it seem like it's a lot:
- Equal rights for marginalized groups
- High taxes for the wealthy for social programs
I question whether either of these are legitimate policies... at least they weren't addressed as such. I'd also question if there's any real belief that Democrats actually support marginalized groups, rather... they just want to exploit them. Convincing 10 million illegals to cross the border, knowing that many of them will be raped, killed, maimed, and trafficked... that is not really supporting marginalized groups... but knowingly using them to support a larger agenda that will keep them in power. I've always known the Democrat party to be wildly anti-Jewish. My wife is Jewish, and most of my friends were Democrat and they all used to make comments about Jews until I started dating my wife. The Jewish thing really didn't mean anything to me at the time... for me it was the large boobs and the blond hair. I'll also remind you that more anti-gay legislation was passed than at any time in our nations history, as it was under the election of Barack Obama... even California passed Proposition 8. It wasn't until the conservative Supreme Court ruled that gay marriage was legal. So... I offer that this is really a ruse, and not really a policy... just a strategy for power.
As for high taxes... this comes from marxist / socialist ideologies... because honestly, to a great extent, Kennedy, Bill Clinton, etc... they all cut taxes. Bill Clinton also saw the greatest reformation of the public sector in modern history... which is exactly what Trump is trying to do... and the Democrats are losing their minds. Bill Clinton did the exact same thing, and no one said anything.
So again... if these TWO things you defined are policies... they aren't real...
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