E-mail signature and pronouns... (Page 1/2)
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 31, 02:34 PM
All federal employees have been ordered to delete pronouns from email signatures by end of day
https://notthebee.com/artic...m-e-mail-signatures/


A side note that I kind of want to mention. Most people don't really understand how our government works... or more specifically, who "owns" what. Most people assume that all these agencies and government departments are somehow (and I'm serious here) co-equal in the eyes of the 3-branches of government. Literally, almost no one you ask on the street is aware that 99% of all government organizations and institutions BELONG TO THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. They think they all somehow have autonomy and kind of just do the job that Congress originally created for them.

So there's always shock when the president issue orders to Federal employees, and then the Democrats call him a dictator for it. No.. he's the PRESIDENT of the United States, and leader of the executive branch.

EDIT: It's the same as in a company, if the CEO issued an order down to the staff... you do it.

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blackrams JAN 31, 02:39 PM
I can't imagine putting some pronoun on an official email or mail.

But I'm thinking I'll start putting Straight White Boomer Male on mine.

Just in case I'm not recognized as a Boomer.

Rams
NewDustin JAN 31, 02:42 PM
So is the answer to too much regulation...more regulation?
Jake_Dragon JAN 31, 04:51 PM
I got in trouble for this.
They asked me for my pronouns and I put down Hey you and Mr.
They removed them. I don't know who they are but they is the correct pronoun until I have more information.

If you need a label to respect people then there is the problem. If you need a label to force behavior on someone else well there is also your problem.

It always starts with a YOU
NewDustin JAN 31, 06:07 PM
I always thought of it as a courtesy from folks whose outwards appearance may be ambiguous or cause confusion. If I wanted to be called she/her I've got every right to ask that people call me that, and I think respectful, reasonable people would like to know. As a large bearded individual it wouldn't be immediately apparent I wanted to be she/her, and it makes more sense to let you know up front rather than correcting you after the fact. Everyone else engaging in it was just to normalize the behavior, and let the folks who might need it know it was ok. Seemed perfectly reasonable to me, and when people didn't participate I could assume they are ok being addressed based solely on how they look, and I'm cool with that too.
Raydar JAN 31, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:
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I could assume they are ok being addressed based solely on how they look, and I'm cool with that too.



...and there's the rub. If you want to identify as "somebody" (something?) then you need to, as quickly as possible, look the part, as much as possible.
Don't have a full beard, and go into the ladies bathroom. People are going to have a WTF moment.

And I recognize that it's not always possible. I know of a woman, who is very "boyish" in her looks and features, who has alluded to "the prospect of" being confronted when entering the ladies room.
I'm not sure if it's happened to her, but I could believe it happened, at first glance. And it's sad, if it has.
But, again, I blame the people who want to bend reality, and "be" something that they are not.
blackrams JAN 31, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:

I always thought of it as a courtesy from folks whose outwards appearance may be ambiguous or cause confusion. If I wanted to be called she/her I've got every right to ask that people call me that, and I think respectful, reasonable people would like to know. As a large bearded individual it wouldn't be immediately apparent I wanted to be she/her, and it makes more sense to let you know up front rather than correcting you after the fact. Everyone else engaging in it was just to normalize the behavior, and let the folks who might need it know it was ok. Seemed perfectly reasonable to me, and when people didn't participate I could assume they are ok being addressed based solely on how they look, and I'm cool with that too.



Being completely honest, I really don't give a damn. No one has such a right, it may be your wish but, I have no necessity to agree. There are only two genders, anything else is something between two (hopefully two) people behind closed doors. I really don't care what happens between two consenting adults behind closed doors but, force me to acknowledge that and, you've just stepped over the line. I really don't give a damn how you want to be viewed, you are, what you were born as to me. If that's not good enough for some, then I suggest you get with your fiends for support because as I said, I don't give a fly'n .............. Well, I think you will understand my position.

Rams

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NewDustin FEB 01, 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Being completely honest, I really don't give a damn. No one has such a right, it may be your wish but, I have no necessity to agree. There are only two genders, anything else is something between two (hopefully two) people behind closed doors. I really don't care what happens between two consenting adults behind closed doors but, force me to acknowledge that and, you've just stepped over the line. I really don't give a damn how you want to be viewed, you are, what you were born as to me. If that's not good enough for some, then I suggest you get with your fiends for support because as I said, I don't give a fly'n .............. Well, I think you will understand my position.

Rams



To me it's respecting other people's liberty. I don't have any interest in telling you how to dress, how to refer to yourself or how to think about yourself...I'm good leaving that up to you. I think people are best when we're encouraged to express ourselves as radically as we want; I honestly think it's the source of our primary strengths. If that means you dress in a way I find goofy and want me to use a pronoun I'm unfamiliar with...what does that cost me in the long run? I would oppose any government intervention FORCING me one way or the other...but seriously what does it cost me to give that to other people?

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NewDustin FEB 01, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by Raydar:

...and there's the rub. If you want to identify as "somebody" (something?) then you need to, as quickly as possible, look the part, as much as possible.
Don't have a full beard, and go into the ladies bathroom. People are going to have a WTF moment.

And I recognize that it's not always possible. I know of a woman, who is very "boyish" in her looks and features, who has alluded to "the prospect of" being confronted when entering the ladies room.
I'm not sure if it's happened to her, but I could believe it happened, at first glance. And it's sad, if it has.
But, again, I blame the people who want to bend reality, and "be" something that they are not.


I said this above, but I think our strength is in our diversity of opinion and ability. I don't know why anyone would be so genitalia-obsessed that they would "confront" someone in a bathroom...that seems insane to me. Then again, the actions this administration is taking expressly force Female-to-Male trans people into women's bathrooms; that's literally folks with full beards who identify as men, are taking male hormones, and are generally physically stronger than women.

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randye FEB 01, 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:


I got in trouble for this.
They asked me for my pronouns and I put down Hey you and Mr.
They removed them. I don't know who they are but they is the correct pronoun until I have more information.




When I registered for the VA online utility I was asked (demanded) for my "pronouns" or how I wish to be addressed.
I tried to leave that space blank but it wouldn't let me complete the registration without it.
SO....I really thought that my "title" might not be allowed, however:

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