DEI policies may have contributed to the AA plane and US Army 'copter collision (Page 1/4)
Mike in Sydney JAN 31, 12:01 AM
His Trumpiness is now implying that government DEI policies may have contributed to the AA plane and US Army 'copter collision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBUVP7Hegso

Say what????

Curious to understand how all the MAGA crowd explains this away. Especially since His Magassy didn't do anything about the DEI policies that were in place and unchanged since 2013.

Also curious to know how you can look at yourselves in a mirror and not be ashamed.

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blackrams JAN 31, 05:56 AM
While I can't comment on how DEI did or didn't have an effect, I will say that I don't agree with the comments made from the podium. It was simply not the time to make those comments even if they are correct.

I've already posted what I see as possibilities and I'm sure I haven't thought of all of them but, the comments made were inappropriate until the investigation was completed (if actually warranted). Regardless of DEI, all potential reasons will be investigated. When I made my own comments, I didn't even consider DEI but, I have noted that I don't believe the ATC controller provided sufficient warning to the Blackhawk crew from what I've read and seen on the news/networks. If, my initial observation is correct, the ATC Controller will be dealt with. My understanding is that the Tower was not manned as it was supposed to be. I've also stated that I don't believe the Blackhawk crew was flying under NVG with all that light pollution they were flying through. NVGs mount to the crew's helmets. I'm relatively sure those NVGs were mounted prior to the Blackhawk actually pulling pitch but, we'll only know after the investigation is completed. According to reports, the pilot was a female Captain, the other pilot a male Warrant Officer/Instructor pilot, this assumes the reports are accurate. The Instructor Pilot would have been the Pilot In Command regardless of rank or gender on any training or evaluation flight.

Way too many possibilities for this accident.

Rams

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 31, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:

Especially since His Magassy didn't do anything about the DEI policies that were in place and unchanged since 2013.





I'm curious what you mean by this?

I was in the Government from 2011 through 2021... DEI was already in government before 2011... but Trump made slight changes. For example... there was a push for only promoting people of color and Obama had sent out memos asking the agencies to promote people based on race first (they'd get first pick, etc.). Trump eliminated that, but instead shifted focus to hiring at HBCs... trying to hire blacks and Hispanics by having recruiting events at universities that were either predominantly Hispanic, or black.

But when Biden came in... it went insane. They hired almost exclusively based on race and sexual preference, and even started to allow support for Communism. What I mean is... to have a clearance in the DoD and IC, significant support for Communism used to be a negative factor, and you wouldn't be granted a clearance. President Biden eliminated this requirement, and we were literally hiring people that were openly Communist... even posting about it on the classified message forums. The hiring standards dropped significantly... they literally hired people that had absolutely no experience. Just to give an example, one lady I worked with somehow managed to turn her computer upside down, and she couldn't figure out why she couldn't get the CD drive to accept the CD (the computer was upside down on her desk, so the CD tray was also upside down. This was a person who was hired onto the most premier Cyber Blue Team in the entire world... or at least what once was. In my very last position, I came into a senior cybersecurity advisor position, and my subordinate who was already there, was a gay pro-Communist Chinese national turned Citizen, which wouldn't be a problem, but he was VERY pro-Communist (talked about it all the time). He was supposed to provide cybersecurity for special forces, and yet, he had an English major... with no formal cybersecurity, programming, or technical background at all. Matter of fact, he'd been hired under Biden and was only there for a few months. After the pull-out in Afghanistan, and with my colleague constantly telling me every day that we need more Communism in America (even though, believe it or not, I never talk politics at work), I was done.. so I quit, as did a lot of other people... GOOD people who actually had skill and could do the mission. I swear, the best time for the adversaries to have attacked our country, was in the last week before Biden left office... everything was falling apart.

Like... it was absolutely crazy.


I have no problem looking in the mirror. Trump was pissed... the ENTIRE government has been run like clown town for the past 4 years... it's been a complete and unmitigated disaster. If you only knew the half of it. I know you have your politics, I know you have your voting preference... but it was never like this under Obama... it was never this bad. The transition from Obama to Trump was seamless and we pretty much carried on, for the most part. But when Biden came into office... it was almost literally like purple haired college students took over the government.

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steve308 JAN 31, 10:22 AM
In todays Fact Check news....

Fact Check: Yes, Obama and Biden Had FAA Hire People with Intellectual, Psychiatric, Severe Physical Disabilities

To much to post, won't cut and paste from article so as not to fit into either sides agenda.
NewDustin JAN 31, 10:31 AM

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Originally posted by steve308:

In todays Fact Check news....

Fact Check: Yes, Obama and Biden Had FAA Hire People with Intellectual, Psychiatric, Severe Physical Disabilities

To much to post, won't cut and paste from article so as not to fit into either sides agenda.


Too much to post! It must certainly be a lot then. You can't post any of it? Like...just the corner maybe?
steve308 JAN 31, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:

Too much to post! It must certainly be a lot then. You can't post any of it? Like...just the corner maybe?




https://www.msn.com › en-us › news › politics › fact-check...
Fact Check: Yes, Obama and Biden Had FAA Hire People with
In an archived page from December 2024, the FAA touted "'On-the-spot' special appointment authority" to hire individuals via a "non-competitive hiring method," one of which involved "hiring …
82-T/A [At Work] JAN 31, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by NewDustin:

Too much to post! It must certainly be a lot then. You can't post any of it? Like...just the corner maybe?




Here's the link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...bilities/ar-AA1yb6Ar


There are more left-leaning versions of it, but they're essentially saying that Trump is also to blame because he maintained Obama's DEI hire policies. At least though, we're in agreement now that DEI policies were bad.
cliffw JAN 31, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney:
Also curious to know how you can look at yourselves in a mirror and not be ashamed.



As in "how can you look in the mirror after saying that and your are not ashamed" ?

DEI has always been bullshit. The best merit for the job, no matter what. DEI has infected all areas of life. The Progressive pundits think he was referring to the helicopter crew or the American Airlines crew. The FAA traffic controllers may have also played a part. Most likely in my opinion. Restrictions in hiring were put in place under Obama, for DEI.

Talked about is a slow down in enlistments for the military. Traffic controllers have the same ... lag.

There was a question of both aircraft flying at the same level. American Airlines was landing. Which means the level of flying was a given to get lower.
NewDustin JAN 31, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Here's the link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...bilities/ar-AA1yb6Ar

There are more left-leaning versions of it, but they're essentially saying that Trump is also to blame because he maintained Obama's DEI hire policies. At least though, we're in agreement now that DEI policies were bad.


Ok...the whole "Intellectual Disabilities" thing is crazy out of context here. The clear implication that they were working as ATCs is just false. The biggest argument I see here about ATCs is that they moved to a more aptitude-based assessment...I'm not mad at that. Who cares if they hired disabled folks to do jobs they're capable of doing? So what if the ATC doesn't have legs, or the janitor can do calculus, as long as the standards for their ability to perform in their roles are just as high?

Maybe I'm just not following?
Raydar JAN 31, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
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The FAA traffic controllers may have also played a part. Most likely in my opinion. Restrictions in hiring were put in place under Obama, for DEI.

Talked about is a slow down in enlistments for the military. Traffic controllers have the same ... lag.




This was commented upon on the radio, earlier.
Since DEI was put into place, in order to maintain the specified ratios, no "non-minorities" could be hired. Since there were not enough qualified minority applicants available, the positions were left vacant.
This is why they were short staffed.

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