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jdv
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JAN 06, 01:23 PM
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Biden permanently bans offshore drilling in 625 million acres of ocean, making reversal difficult [This message has been edited by jdv (edited 01-07-2025).]
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 06, 02:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
Biden permanently bans offshore drilling in 625 million acres of ocean, making reversal difficult |
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At worst, it's a temporary 14 day ban... which would be financially catastrophic to these rigs, but the Democrats know this.
Hopefully a judge can put an injunction to prevent it... (it's what I'm expecting will happen).
On the point of the subject... I'm not sure this is really Biden. One of the things that I know that Democrats often do, is "focus group" test everything they do. The problem is that many Democrats don't like dissenting views or opinions, so these focus groups tend to be very biased and leaning, which is not unintentional. They generally want to know that the decisions they're about to make, will affect their party's voters. Unfortunately, and I hate to say it... most of these people are really out of touch with what the greater United States actually wants. So many of these focus-group decisions are just total crap, and lead to constant failure.
President Obama was known for using focus groups all the time... and I suspect that to a degree... all of the decisions under Biden through most of his presidency were actually being made by his cabinet, and not actually him. I think when we see him disappear from the lime light, that he's likely going to fade, and fade fast physically... he'll likely be unable to carry a conversation at all within 1 to 2 years is my guess.
Anyway, point being... I don't think Biden is doing any of this. I think the radical left-leaning cabinet that he has right now is basically trying to think of anything they can do to make things hard for Trump. Again... it's all an emotional response. Such an action, if made permanent, would be catastrophic for the oil industry and cause massive inflation. They would never do this because it would hurt their polling... but now that they know Biden is out, it's a type of "scorched Earth" mentality. They literally don't care who they hurt... they just want revenge.
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cliffw
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JAN 06, 05:06 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by jdv:
Biden permanently bans offshore drilling in 625 million acres of ocean, making reversal difficult |
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I did hear about that. I have oil drilling experience. I heard the amount of offshore acres equaled pretty much the amount of acres being drilled upon on private land.
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blackrams
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JAN 06, 10:34 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
At worst, it's a temporary 14 day ban... which would be financially catastrophic to these rigs, but the Democrats know this.
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Anyway, point being... I don't think Biden is doing any of this. I think the radical left-leaning cabinet that he has right now is basically trying to think of anything they can do to make things hard for Trump. Again... it's all an emotional response. Such an action, if made permanent, would be catastrophic for the oil industry and cause massive inflation. They would never do this because it would hurt their polling... but now that they know Biden is out, it's a type of "scorched Earth" mentality. They literally don't care who they hurt... they just want revenge. |
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You would not be alone in thinking that. It's my opinion that it's been that way for quite a while.
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blackrams
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JAN 07, 09:29 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
At worst, it's a temporary 14 day ban... which would be financially catastrophic to these rigs, but the Democrats know this.
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A bit of research/reading said that the 70 + year old law Biden used to stop/restrict/prohibit drilling in these offshore areas allow a President to enact/order this but provides no provision for a succeeding President to reverse that decision. It said that reversing Biden's decision would require Congressional action. I assume this will be challenged in the courts but, I agree that Biden's action will hurt the drilling rigs, those employed in operating them and eventually the US Consumer.
Will try to find it again. I'm no expert on this.
Found several articles, this is just one of them.
Biden permanently bans offshore drilling in 625 million acres of ocean, making a Trump reversal difficult
https://www.cnn.com/2025/01...ban-trump/index.html
| quote | President Joe Biden on Monday announced an executive action that will permanently ban future offshore oil and gas development in parts of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans in a way that could be especially difficult for the incoming Trump administration to undo.
Biden’s executive action will ban new oil and gas leasing across 625 million acres of US ocean. The ban will prevent oil companies from leasing waters for new drilling along the entire East Coast, the eastern Gulf of Mexico, the coasts of Washington, Oregon and California, and portions of Alaska’s Northern Bering Sea.
“My decision reflects what coastal communities, businesses, and beachgoers have known for a long time: that drilling off these coasts could cause irreversible damage to places we hold dear and is unnecessary to meet our nation’s energy needs,” Biden said in a statement. “It is not worth the risks.”
The action, which CNN reported on Friday, invokes the 1953 Outer Continental Shelf Lands Act, a law that gives presidents broad authority to withdraw federal waters from future oil and gas leasing and development.
The law does not give presidents explicit authority to revoke the action and place federal waters back into development, meaning President-elect Donald Trump would have to get Congress to change it before he could reverse Biden’s move.
Nevertheless, Trump on Monday said in an interview he would try to undo the action.
“Look, it’s ridiculous. I’ll unban it immediately,” Trump said in a radio interview on “The Hugh Hewitt Show.”
As Biden’s presidency draws to a close, environmental and climate groups have advocated for him to withdraw areas off the Eastern Gulf of Mexico, as well as other parts of the Atlantic and Pacific oceans — giving the areas permanent protections from future drilling. The move would guard against future oil spills and against adding more planet-warming pollution from fossil fuels to the atmosphere.
“President Biden’s new protections add to this bipartisan history, including President Trump’s previous withdrawals in the southeastern United States in 2020,” said Oceana Campaign Director Joseph Gordon in a statement. “Our treasured coastal communities are now safeguarded for future generations.”
Despite a friendly posture towards the oil and gas industry, Trump also moved to ban offshore drilling while president. After proposing a major expansion in offshore drilling early in his first term, Trump in 2020 extended a ban on future oil drilling in the Eastern Gulf and expanded it to include the Atlantic coasts of three states: Florida, Georgia and South Carolina.
Still, Trump’s incoming press secretary, Karoline Leavitt, lambasted the decision, writing in a post on X, “This is a disgraceful decision designed to exact political revenge on the American people who gave President Trump a mandate to increase drilling and lower gas prices. Rest assured, Joe Biden will fail, and we will drill, baby, drill.”
The oil industry lashed out against the executive action, too.
“President Biden’s decision to ban new offshore oil and natural gas development across approximately 625 million acres of US coastal and offshore waters is significant and catastrophic,” Ron Neal, chairman of the Independent Petroleum Association of America Offshore Committee, said in a statement. “It represents a major attack on the oil and natural gas industry.”
Neal said the ban would severely limit the industry’s potential for future oil and gas exploration in new areas, hurting the industry’s long-term ability to survive.
But Biden noted in his statement that protecting coastlines from offshore drilling has bipartisan support.
“From California to Florida, Republican and Democratic Governors, Members of Congress, and coastal communities alike have worked and called for greater protection of our ocean and coastlines from harms that offshore oil and natural gas drilling can bring,” Biden said.
He argued that after the devastating 2010 Deepwater Horizon spill in the Gulf of Mexico, the ban he imposed will help protect similar ecological disasters from happening again.
“Every president this century has recognized that some areas of the ocean are just too risky or too sensitive to drill,” Earthjustice vice president of litigation for lands, wildlife and oceans Drew Caputo said in a statement Friday.
Biden’s move was first reported by Bloomberg.
Little economic impact
Energy analysts told CNN the move won’t make much of a difference in US oil production, which has set new records under Biden.
It’s “not particularly consequential for US exploration and production going forward,” Tom Kloza, global head of energy analysis at the Oil Price Information Service, said on Friday. Kloza noted there are plenty of existing offshore rigs pumping oil in the Gulf of Mexico and added that offshore projects typically take 6-8 years to come online.
“I don’t see it as having any real impact on US supply, exports, imports,” Kloza said.
Biden agreed, arguing in his statement that preserving the environment and the coastlines will help local economies flourish.
“We do not need to choose between protecting the environment and growing our economy, or between keeping our ocean healthy, our coastlines resilient, and the food they produce secure and keeping energy prices low,” Biden said. “Those are false choices.”
“American voters sent a clear message in support of domestic energy development, and yet the current administration is using its final days in office to cement a record of doing everything possible to restrict it,” API CEO Mike Sommers said in a statement. “We urge policymakers to use every tool at their disposal to reverse this politically motivated decision and restore a pro-American energy approach to federal leasing.”
In a separate announcement, the Biden administration is expected to declare two new national monuments in California in the coming week, a source familiar with the planning told CNN.
Biden will establish the Chuckwalla National Monument in Southern California near Joshua Tree National Park and the Sáttítla National Monument in Northern California, the source said. Native tribes have been actively pushing the administration to protect the land from energy development.
Biden has so far conserved or expanded 10 national monuments as president.
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Rams[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 01-07-2025).]
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Raydar
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JAN 07, 10:24 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
At worst, it's a temporary 14 day ban... which would be financially catastrophic to these rigs, but the Democrats know this.
Hopefully a judge can put an injunction to prevent it... (it's what I'm expecting will happen).
On the point of the subject... I'm not sure this is really Biden. |
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The case has been made, by one of the radio pundits, that this could easily be challenged (based upon the premise that it was actually Brandon's doing, which nobody from the Dems is likely to argue) due to the fact that Biden isn't "of sound mind".
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blackrams
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JAN 07, 11:42 AM
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| quote | Originally posted by Raydar:
The case has been made, by one of the radio pundits, that this could easily be challenged (based upon the premise that it was actually Brandon's doing, which nobody from the Dems is likely to argue) due to the fact that Biden isn't "of sound mind". |
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Yeah, I've mentioned previously that I have great concerns about Biden's cognitive capability, I wonder who's got the keys to the signature machine. It's pretty obvious Biden will read whatever is on the screen Infront of him. Then he normally walks out of the room without answering any questions.
Rams
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Raydar
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JAN 07, 07:14 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by blackrams:
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Then he normally walks out of the room without answering any questions.
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And either turns the wrong way, or falls down the stairs.
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ray b
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JAN 22, 11:23 AM
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THE REICH BEGINS
RUMP PART ONE WAS BAD
RUMP PART TWO WILL BE EVIL
BuSh2 WAS THE WORST SO FAR
RUMP 1 WAS SECOND
RUMP 2 WILL BE WORSE BY FAR
JOE WITH YOUR BS
AND BLAME FROM RUMP PRIOR MIS-MANAGEMENT
LIKE HIS BAD CORPrat GIVEAWAYS THAT FUELED INFLATION
WAS WAY BETTER THE ANY OF THE Gop
AFGAN WAS RUMPS DEAL
VAC WAS RUMP DEAL
INFLATION WAS RUMPS TAX CUTS +++ GIVEAWAYS = MORE MONEY MORE INFLATION
NOT JOE'S DEALS YOU BLAME THE WRONG GUY
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steve308
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JAN 22, 12:05 PM
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The ban won't stick because....if ban included Gulf of Mexice it won't apply to The Gulf of America... so as it applies to the Atlantic ocean, just rename it. Simple fix.
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