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maryjane
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JAN 06, 09:58 AM
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Not that I really give a flyin fornicate what they do (or think) up North but......
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 06, 11:48 AM
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Looks like it's official... he just announced his plan to resign.
I'm not sure how Canada does their elections... since it's a Prime Minister, that means that people don't really vote on him/her... but in fact, the representatives will vote for the replacement?
How long / soon does that happen? I'm sure they'll elect a conservative, as everything seems to be going that way, but I doubt if they totally roll over for Trump. I do think though, Trump will appreciate it more and likely concede to some extent... and, the new conservative leader will probably want the same things that Trump wants (immigration policies).
Maybe Biden can give Trudeau a Presidential Medal of Freedom?
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olejoedad
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JAN 06, 12:16 PM
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NewDustin
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JAN 06, 12:18 PM
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"Canada teaching the US what conservatism really looks like" was not on my 2025 bingo card. I wonder how Trump and his supporters will react to actual fiscal conservatism.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 06, 12:38 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
"Canada teaching the US what conservatism really looks like" was not on my 2025 bingo card. I wonder how Trump and his supporters will react to actual fiscal conservatism. |
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Why the assumption that we don't know what we voted for?
The vast majority of people realize the national debt is unsustainable. We've been here before with Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton. We know what fiscal conservatism looks like, and many of us have been through it. It included layoffs in the Federal government, including the CIA (in which they picked names arbitrarily from a hat).
The question is... WILL Trump actually enact fiscal conservatism? DOGE will provide lots of recommendations to Congress and hopefully pressure them to vote on eliminating waste, but it's up to Congress and the president to enact it.
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NewDustin
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JAN 06, 02:49 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Why the assumption that we don't know what we voted for? |
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I made no such assumption. While it's clear some of his supporters do not understand his plans to increase taxes, I believe a large portion of his base is...what did I call it earlier? social conservatives with populist economic stances? Something like that. That's the folks I was wondering after.
| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
The vast majority of people realize the national debt is unsustainable. We've been here before with Newt Gingrich and Bill Clinton. We know what fiscal conservatism looks like, and many of us have been through it. It included layoffs in the Federal government, including the CIA (in which they picked names arbitrarily from a hat).
The question is... WILL Trump actually enact fiscal conservatism? DOGE will provide lots of recommendations to Congress and hopefully pressure them to vote on eliminating waste, but it's up to Congress and the president to enact it. |
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Of course not. DOGE is going to be used to continue to benefit Elon Musk because he isn't an idiot and didn't take this position because he woke up one morning and decided on selflessness for the first time in his life.
Given that Trump grew the national debt by 40% in a 4-year period last time, and that his current proposals are anticipated to grow it even more this time around, I am very confused by the idea that he is necessary to address it's unsustainable nature.
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Patrick
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JAN 06, 03:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
I'm sure they'll elect a conservative, as everything seems to be going that way, but I doubt if they totally roll over for Trump.
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What's Trump got to do with it?
Even if a Conservative government is elected to office in Canada, and it's certainly not a given, don't think for a moment that it has anything to do with Trump. The vast majority of Canadians look upon Donald Trump with contempt, especially so after his 51st State bullsh!t.
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Doug85GT
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JAN 06, 03:35 PM
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I hope Pierre Poilievre becomes the new PM. He is a sharp guy.
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cliffw
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JAN 06, 03:50 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
The vast majority of Canadians look upon Donald Trump with contempt, especially so after his 51st State bullsh!t.
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Yeah, right. So so many Canadians look upon Trudeau with utter contempt. Especially the Freedom Convoy of truckers. Does the majority of Canadians you refer to think Trudeau should be messing with the truckers banking abilities ?
Patrick, I heard tell the Trudeau was going to migrate to the United States before Trump gets into office.
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82-T/A [At Work]
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JAN 06, 03:53 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by NewDustin:
Of course not. DOGE is going to be used to continue to benefit Elon Musk because he isn't an idiot and didn't take this position because he woke up one morning and decided on selflessness for the first time in his life.
Given that Trump grew the national debt by 40% in a 4-year period last time, and that his current proposals are anticipated to grow it even more this time around, I am very confused by the idea that he is necessary to address it's unsustainable nature. |
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That's very much an opinion. Why do you think Elon Musk doesn't care about America? He purchased (at a loss mind you) Twitter, and did so specifically because he's a strong advocate for free speech. It's not just Musk, but Vivek, and I legitimately do not believe either of them will do something specifically to benefit themselves. This is a very class-warfare type of thinking. I do think Elon will be very pro-innovation, some of which he will benefit from, but I'm hoping he does push innovation and eliminate all the other waste.
As for Trump's 40% national debt, it was no where near that high... that would be absurd. But he did pass an absolutely outrageous COVID spending bill (almost 3 trillion) which the Democrat Congress sent for him to pass. It's still on him for passing it, but let's not pretend this was all Trump. The Democrats made it seem like if he didn't pass that COVID spending bill, the world would end, and if anything, you could say Trump's biggest fault here was falling for the Democrat's emotional nonsense.
| quote | Originally posted by Patrick:
What's Trump got to do with it?
Even if a Conservative government is elected to office in Canada, and it's certainly not a given, don't think for a moment that it has anything to do with Trump. The vast majority of Canadians look upon Donald Trump with contempt, especially so after his 51st State bullsh!t.
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Look, the media all over the U.S. is stating his resignation is because of the failed talks with Trump. I don't think THAT's the reason, but it could be the straw that broke the camel's back. My impression is that Trudeau has been on a steady decline as a result of his economic policies... I mean, his approval rating is even lower than Biden's... which really says something. It's no secret that if Trump does impose tariffs on Canada, it would affect Canada badly... and I don't think anyone wants that. So he's likely seeing a lot of pressure to resign because they probably think he'll likely not be the right person for solving that problem. Just my opinion...
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