What is Biden doing??? Ukraine... (Page 1/3)
82-T/A [At Work] NOV 20, 07:55 AM
We're a little under 2 months before Trump assumes office, and Biden seems to be doing insanely crazy stuff.

I mentioned about a month ago (somewhere on here), that fighting a proxy war would be extremely dangerous. A proxy war is where we're funding a nation directly to attack one of our adversaries for us... there-by we are fighting a war against our enemies, but not actually doing the work. This is effectively viewed the same by the enemy... and equally dangerous.

I have no love for Russia... I was raised in the 80s under Reagan and ... you know the rest. But Biden has made two concurrent actions that are literally insane.

1 - Biden authorized long-range missiles to be used by Ukraine to strike targets within Russia. They are now using U.S. weapons to attack Russia within it's territory. This is directly putting Putin in a position where he now has to make a decision. Look foolish and lose, or amp-up the firepower and use smaller nuclear weapons to force Ukraine to submit.

2 - Biden just authorized the use of land mines by the Ukrainians inside the Russian border. This is insane... for one, I didn't even know we were producing land mines, and second, these are illegal by the Geneva convention last time I looked. Furthermore, they end up killing more children and farmers than they do enemies since they never get picked up after the war.


I honestly feel like a peacenik Democrat from the 90s... Biden has gone completely insane, or more likely... this is Obama's people doing this. I would very much like the Democrats on here to explain to me why either of these things are a good idea. Putin has already stated he's likely to use nuclear weapons now. Like everything else, Biden handled this so poorly from the start... just totally insane.
olejoedad NOV 20, 08:35 AM
Don't you mean 'What is Obama up too'?

Scorched Earth would fulfill his promise to "Fundimentally change America'.

There was a reason for public execution...

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Raydar NOV 20, 10:55 AM
They're trying to leave Trump with a "huge steaming pile" to deal with, on day one.
The "Geneva convention" issue makes me wonder whether he could be brought up for an impeachment.
TheDigitalAlchemist NOV 20, 10:58 AM
Not gonna say that it's Biden personally making these decisions, but it does seem like "They" know their time is limited, and will try to do as much damage as possible.

Imagine Trump being able to resolve the Ukraine situation and manage to end the current war in the middle East (even I know that region will likely NEVER be " at peace" )

But I'm optimistic for the future, at least for the US. It appears that Trump learned from the mistakes in his last term, and hopefully, things will move in an upward/forward direction, and not get mucked down with BS.

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
82-T/A [At Work] NOV 22, 08:37 PM

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Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist: But I'm optimistic for the future, at least for the US. It appears that Trump learned from the mistakes in his last term, and hopefully, things will move in an upward/forward direction, and not get mucked down with BS.

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!



Me too... I'm totally psyched...
blackrams DEC 01, 09:15 PM
I may be mistaken but, I don't believe the Geneva Convention specifically bans land mines. But, there was an agreement ( Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction, 18 September 1997)

Working off memory, I don't believe the US or Russia signed off on that. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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On 4 December 2023, resolution 78/45 titled “Implementation of the Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on Their Destruction” was adopted by the General Assembly of the United Nations by a recorded vote of 170 in favor, one against, and 16 abstentions.



Rams

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82-T/A [At Work] DEC 02, 08:08 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:

I may be mistaken but, I don't believe the Geneva Convention specifically bans land mines. But, there was an agreement ( Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production and Transfer of Anti-Personnel Mines and on their Destruction, 18 September 1997)

Working off memory, I don't believe the US or Russia signed off on that. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on that.

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Rams




Yeah, it was the Ottawa Treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Treaty

Geeze... I just assumed that the United States had signed that. And it was under Clinton no less... I would have assumed Bill Clinton would have signed that too. This shouldn't be something that's controversial, like so many other things are. I'm failing to understand why the United States wouldn't have wanted to agree to it (except of course because Russia also refused to agree to it). Using landmines is absolutely horrible.
cliffw DEC 02, 09:00 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
What is Biden doing???


The tree doesn't fall far from the apple. He pardoned the apple of his eye, the smartest person on the planet, Hunter, who diddled his late brother's wife and had a child.

Cementing the Biden family legacy.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Yeah, it was the Ottawa Treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Treaty


Geeze... I just assumed that the United States had signed that. And it was under Clinton no less... I would have assumed Bill Clinton would have signed that too. This shouldn't be something that's controversial, like so many other things are. I'm failing to understand why the United States wouldn't have wanted to agree to it (except of course because Russia also refused to agree to it). Using landmines is absolutely horrible.



All is fair in love and war . The first rule in a fight ? There are no rules.
blackrams DEC 02, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
Yeah, it was the Ottawa Treaty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Treaty

Geeze... I just assumed that the United States had signed that. And it was under Clinton no less... I would have assumed Bill Clinton would have signed that too. This shouldn't be something that's controversial, like so many other things are. I'm failing to understand why the United States wouldn't have wanted to agree to it (except of course because Russia also refused to agree to it). Using landmines is absolutely horrible.



While the hostility of war is obviously a horrible thing, I don't see much difference in Land Mines (both Personnel and Tank) are any different than IEDs. Outlawing Land Mines accomplishes little to nothing, there's always more efficient ways to kill.

Rams
82-T/A [At Work] DEC 02, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
While the hostility of war is obviously a horrible thing, I don't see much difference in Land Mines (both Personnel and Tank) are any different than IEDs. Outlawing Land Mines accomplishes little to nothing, there's always more efficient ways to kill.

Rams



Well, aside from the maiming that's caused (which tends to overwhelm field hospitals), the biggest issue is what happens after the war.

The reason why the treaty was signed in the first place is because these mines remain in the ground for decades after the war is over, and it leads to children and innocent civilians (like farmers) getting killed. Even in Afghanistan, for example... there were places where we had to fence off entire fields because they were littered with mines, EVEN within the Bagram compound, because the Russians had placed them there decades before.

This is an older article, but it references how since 1989, more than 44 thousand people (includes children) have been killed by them: https://www.cbsnews.com/new...xplodes-afghanistan/

And this article from UNICEF talks about it being a global problem in areas that were previously war-torn: https://www.unicef.org/pres...-unexploded-ordnance


Kinetic warfare, I get it... it sucks. But I put land-mine use right up there with chemical weapons. The fact that we're using them is... man... call me a radical leftist, but it's sick. Joe Biden should never have authorized the use of landmines. And you can be sure that neither Ukraine or Russia will properly clean them up after the war. For the nearly useless benefit they provide, they have a far greater harm to the civilian population than anything else.