Blue-state meltdown (Page 9/11)
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 13, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:

The causes of crime are complicated, but empirical evidence proves that it is not related to party affiliation.



https://journals.sagepub.co...177/0002716213502931

The above published paper actually disagrees with you. It clearly states that felons who, amongst the states which allow criminals to vote after serving their time, register as Democrats 70% of the time. These are prisoners who come from small towns, middle class, big cities, you name it... and it includes states such as North Carolina, New York, New Mexico, etc.



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Originally posted by BingB:
For example, rural areas with a majority democrat population and controlled by democrats have LOWER crime rates than urban areas and big cities with majority republican population and controlled by republicans. Since Democrats control an overwhelming majority of big cities then the crime rate among democrats is going to be higher. So there is a statistical correlation but no causation. It would be like blaming sunburn on Republicans policies because more people get sunburns in Florida than in Vermont.



Crime in Democrat-run big cities has continued to climb year over year. Alternately, crime in Republican big cities has continued to decrease year over year. This is clearly because of Democrat-led policies that are soft on crime, such as an unwillingness to charge for certain crimes committed (doesn't mean the crime didn't occur, just means the criminal is free to commit the crime again). I could list them out, but I think you already know this. Let me know if you need me to refresh your memory.



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Originally posted by BingB:
Mental illness is even more complicated. . . .

1. An overwhelming majority of people treated for mental illness seek out the treatment themselves. So most statistics are based on "self-reporting". Among conservatives there is more of a stigma attached to mental illness. It is often labeled as a weakness in character or even a sin. So a certain part of the answer is simply that more Democrats admit to mental illness and seek treatment than Republicans who are in denial or too ashamed to admit a problem and seek treatment.

2. Then there is the fact that people with higher IQs are more likely to suffer from metal issues ( as well as allergies, asthma, and autoimmune disease). https://bi gthink.com/neurop...e%20mood%20disorder.




I think this is a good time for us to discuss your prior discussion about causation and correlation.

- Those with higher IQs are pre-disposed to have a greater propensity of mental illness (correlation).
- Those with higher IQs are more likely to have degrees (correlation).
- Those with mental illness are more likely to be Democrat based on numerous surveys (causation?).

IMPORTANT ... Democrats are NOT more likely to be intelligent.

A common theme that's pushed is that "Democrats are smarter" ... this is a broad misrepresentation that said Democrats are more likely to have a degree. This is a great argument for causation or correlation... because it does NOT mean that they are smarter, it simply means the following:
- Younger people are generally more likely to be liberal, and...
- More younger people are getting degrees than at any time in history
- The majority of these degrees are liberal arts degrees, and not science, engineering, or even something worthwhile
- Pro-liberal surveys generally do not include the impoverished inner-city masses that actually make up the majority of the Democrat party.

Educational attainment does not necessarily equate to intelligence... if it did, I would be one of the smartest people in the world. Democrats are NOT smarter, just more likely to be insane and have at least one degree.

Alternately, there have been several published papers on studies that have actually concluded that in fact, Republicans have a firmer grasp of reality and higher cognitive ability (IQ). Based on evaluation of the General Social Survey (GSS), researchers have determined that:
• Individuals who identify as Republican have greater probability knowledge
• Individuals who identify as Republican have higher verbal reasoning ability
• Individuals who identify as Republican have better question comprehension
• Cognitive ability’s effect on party identity works through socio-economic position

You can read that here: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2014.08.003



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Originally posted by BingB:
3. And finally, there is the problem with define "mental illness". For example, a person who believes something that has no basis in physical reality has a "delusional disorder". but Christians do not include themselves under the category of "mentally ill". So if we follow strict definitions I feel that just as many Republicans kave "mental disorders" as Democrats.



Fred, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY encourage you to continue to say things like this. With the onslaught of illegals coming across the border from South and Central America... they are anywhere from 95-97% Catholic, and there's nothing more insulting to them than belittling their faith. This is an excellent opportunity to help move more people to the Republican party from the party of insane criminals with useless degrees.
rinselberg FEB 13, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by cliffw:
How much does a can of bullzhit cost now a days?


I don't see that broken out in the latest Consumer Price Index report from the Bureau of Labor statistics, but just based on my own observations, it's still at pre-pandemic levels, so it's actually kind of a bargain.
82-T/A [At Work] FEB 13, 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:

nixon watergate was 90% cubans miami typical corruption

nixon was a crook CHEATED TO EXTEND THE WAR

raygun was traitor TRADED WITH IRAN TO KEEP THE HOSTAGES

BuSh2 recession/depression

rump plague inflation and TREASON




I'm not really following these thought-streams... however, the take-away from me in this thread overall from you is...

You acknowledge crime is higher in cities, reluctantly acknowledge it's caused by Democrats in those cities, but it's OK because in your opinion, the crimes supposedly committed by Republicans are worse ... and that all of those poor people are justified to commit crimes, unless they're Jewish, Cuban, military (or from a military family), Christian, white, Eastern European, Haitian, Argentine, related to or are themselves police officers, lawyers, and God forbid, right-leaning. Did I miss anything?
williegoat FEB 13, 03:39 PM
BingBoy has now defined both religion and intelligence as symptoms of mental illness. That is probably why he claims to be all by himself standing in the middle of the road, at the center of the universe. We should have no god before Toast and pray to Fred for wisdom.


Edit: NOT A TOY!

[This message has been edited by williegoat (edited 02-13-2024).]

BingB FEB 13, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


https://journals.sagepub.co...177/0002716213502931

The above published paper actually disagrees with you. It clearly states that felons who, amongst the states which allow criminals to vote after serving their time, register as Democrats 70% of the time. These are prisoners who come from small towns, middle class, big cities, you name it... and it includes states such as North Carolina, New York, New Mexico, etc.




Actually they don't disagree with me at all. Like me they understand the difference between "causation" and "correlation".

I never denied that more criminals are democrats. All I did was prove that there was only a correlation and no causation. And if you don't believe me then just re-read the link you just p[osted. No where in there do they claim that criminal behavior is caused by party affiliation or party policies.

I am sorry that you can't understand the difference.

[This message has been edited by BingB (edited 02-13-2024).]

BingB FEB 13, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


Crime in Democrat-run big cities has continued to climb year over year. Alternately, crime in Republican big cities has continued to decrease year over year.





This is just a complete lie.

Crime went down in most big cities in 2023 no matter which party was in control.

https://counciloncj.org/mid...r-2023-crime-trends/
BingB FEB 13, 05:25 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

IMPORTANT ... Democrats are NOT more likely to be intelligent.


I will admit that I was wrong on this one. My comment was based on the difference between "socially liberal and conservative" instead of "Republican and Democrat"

Research has consistently shown that people with higher cognitive ability tend to be more socially liberal (Deary et al., 2008a, Deary et al., 2008b, Heaven et al., 2011, Hodson and Busseri, 2012, Kanazawa, 2010, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Pesta et al., 2010, Schoon et al., 2010, Stankov, 2009) and less religious (Bell, 2002, Ganzach et al., 2013, Kanazawa, 2010, Lynn et al., 2009, Nyborg, 2009, Pesta and McDaniel, 2014, Zuckerman et al., 2013).
BingB FEB 13, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:Fred, I HIGHLY, HIGHLY encourage you to continue to say things like this. With the onslaught of illegals coming across the border from South and Central America... they are anywhere from 95-97% Catholic, and there's nothing more insulting to them than belittling their faith. This is an excellent opportunity to help move more people to the Republican party from the party of insane criminals with useless degrees.




So I see that you can't dispute this point.

But I don't know why my comments would make any difference. I am not a Democrat or a Republican.
BingB FEB 13, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by williegoat:

BingBoy has now defined both religion and intelligence as symptoms of mental illness. That is probably why he claims to be all by himself standing in the middle of the road, at the center of the universe. We should have no god before Toast and pray to Fred for wisdom.


Edit: NOT A TOY!




All I am doing is stating facts.

Says a lot about this place when stating actual facts qualifies one for deification.
williegoat FEB 13, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:


All I am doing is stating facts.

Says a lot about this place when stating actual facts qualifies one for deification.


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