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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 17, 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by BingB:But according to your logic all CURRENT members of the Democrat Party are responsible for what happened 150 years ago. So that means all CURRENT citizens of Florida are responsible for the Jim Crowe era, right?

Or is there a problem with your logic?




LOL, no... you're completely backward here. The Democrats scream every day that the Republicans are the racists. Just look at all the news outlets responding to the fact that Trump won the Ohio caucus. This is what Ray has repeatedly said almost every single day... Republicans are racist (while oddly enough, saying that Jews are all bad). So this comes up from time to time to remind Ray, and others such as yourself, that the Democrats are the ones directly responsible for all of this.

I too was a Democrat for many years... but am in no way responsible for the things of the Democrats of the past. That doesn't mean the party is without blame... it simply means they're hypocritical when day in and day out they claim the Republicans are racist when literally... the Democrats are the ones who practically founded this concept of being racist.



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Originally posted by BingB:

Elected first Republican Governor in 1980. Since then Republican Governor for 20 of 43 years
Elected first Republican Governor in 1967, just 3 years after passage of Civil Rights Act. Since 1987 Republican Governor for 28 of 36 years.
Elected first Republican Governor in 100 years in 1967 just 3 uears after passage of Civil rights Act. Republican governor for 19 of last 27 years,
Elected first Republican Governor in 100 years in 1979. Since then Republican governor for 36 of 44 years
Republican Governor for 27 of last 31 years.
Elected first Republican Governor in 100 years in 1975. Republican Governor in 36 of 48 years since.
The second "Texas" was actually Tennessee. Elected Republican Governor in 1971 since then Republican Governor for 32 of 52 years.



Once again, you're conflating information to present a narrative that isn't true. Just because a state had 1 Republican governor for a SINGLE term back in the 70s, and then 10 more Democrats after that, does not make it a Republican state. I encourage everyone to go to all of the links I posted, and quickly see the list of Democrat governors, and how the gradual shift began in the mid 1990s through the mid 2000s. It will back up exactly what I've said, and completely counter the totally absurd narrative you're portraying here.


Louisiana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...vernors_of_Louisiana
Florida: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...governors_of_Florida
Arkansas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...overnors_of_Arkansas
Texas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...f_governors_of_Texas
Mississippi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rnors_of_Mississippi
South Carolina: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...rs_of_South_Carolina
Kentucky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...overnors_of_Kentucky (still actually Democrat)
Alabama: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...governors_of_Alabama



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Originally posted by BingB:Missouri was admitted to the Confederacy on November 28 1861.




LOL, please... this is a joke, right? It was a Union State, you can read about it here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...e_American_Civil_War

It was Confederate for like 4 months because it was a border state and it had been captured. They state eventually ousted the leadership by July of that same year, and it remained Union for the rest of the war. The "Confederate Leadership" of the state of Missouri had moved to Texas because they literally controlled no part of the state. My family fought for the Missouri 23rd Volunteer Union Regiment, led by my g/g/g/grandfather, and his son, both of whom eventually were captured at the battle of Shiloh. The dad died, and the son went on to fight again, then leading the Regiment. After the Civil War, he went on to fight in the Spanish American war.

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BingB JAN 17, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

LOL, no... you're completely backward here. The Democrats scream every day that the Republicans are the racists.





And I 100% agree with you that this is wrong. The difference between you and me is that I can see both sides while you can only see one.

All Republicans are not racists just because racists love and support Donald Trump.

All Democrats are not racists because of what Democrats did 150 years ago.

BingB JAN 17, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:
LOL, please... this is a joke, right? It was a Union State, you can read about it here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...e_American_Civil_War

It was Confederate for like 4 months because it was a border state and it had been captured.





Missouri's role in the Civi War is very complicated. It did not want to secede but it also did not want to support the Union cause. I lump MIssouri into the Confederacy because it was a slave state like the rest of the south and had a history of sympathizing with the other slave states. Basically the citizens of Missouri had been fighting among themselves (and with the Union supporters in Kansas) for quite a while before the war ever started.

You claim it was "captured" by the Governor who the citizens elected. That shows how complicated it was

BingB JAN 17, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

The entire South was 100% Democrat until around ~2000.


Not even close to true

By 1990 almost half of the former slave states (6 of 13) had Republican Governors.

By 1995 a majority of the former slave states (8 of 13) had a Republican Governor.

olejoedad JAN 17, 08:25 PM
Who in their right freaking mind would have guilt about the actions of their ancestors?
randye JAN 18, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:


All Democrats are not racists because of what Democrats did 150 years ago.






If only it was just limited to 150 years ago.

But it isn't.













Leftists gotta Leftist
The Best Predictor of Future Leftist Behavior Is … Past Leftist Behavior

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rinselberg JAN 18, 07:28 AM
The forum post that precedes this forum post:

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If only it was just limited to 150 years ago... but it isn't.


"Leftists gotta Leftist"
The Best Predictor of FUTURE Leftist Behavior Is… PAST Leftist Behavior



The Frank Murphy Hall of Justice in Detroit serves the Third Judicial Circuit of Michigan.



Frank Murphy, remembered as a liberal, had a long career in public service. Running as a Democrat, he was elected Mayor of Detroit in 1930 and won reelection in 1932. Running again as a Democrat, he was elected Governor of Michigan and served in that role from 1936 to 1938. In 1939, he became U.S. Attorney General in President Franklin Roosevelt's administration. In 1940, he was appointed an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States.

Executive Order 9066

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About 10 weeks after the U.S. entered World War II, President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942 signed Executive Order 9066. The order authorized the Secretary of War and the armed forces to remove people of Japanese ancestry from what they designated as military areas and surrounding communities in the United States. These areas were legally off limits to Japanese aliens and Japanese-American citizens.

The order set in motion the mass transportation and relocation of more than 120,000 Japanese people to sites the government called detention camps that were set up and occupied in about 14 weeks. Most of the people who were relocated lived on the West Coast and two-thirds were American citizens. In accordance with the order, the military transported them to some 26 sites in seven western states, including remote locations in Washington, Idaho, Utah, and Arizona.


Korematsu v. U.S.

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Fred Korematsu, 23, was a Japanese-American citizen who did not comply with the order to leave his home and job, despite the fact that his parents had abandoned their home and their flower-nursery business in preparation for reporting to a camp. Korematsu planned to stay behind. He had plastic surgery on his eyes to alter his appearance; changed his name to Clyde Sarah; and claimed that he was of Spanish and Hawaiian descent.

On May 30, 1942, about six months after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the FBI arrested Korematsu for failure to report to a relocation center. After his arrest, while waiting in jail, he decided to allow the American Civil Liberties Union to represent him and make his case a test case to challenge the constitutionality of the government’s order. Korematsu was tried in federal court in San Francisco, convicted of violating military orders issued under Executive Order 9066, given five years on probation, and sent to an Assembly Center in San Bruno, CA.

Korematsu’s attorneys appealed the trial court’s decision to the U.S. Court of Appeals, which agreed with the trial court that he had violated military orders. Korematsu asked the Supreme Court of the United States to hear his case. On December 18, 1944, a divided Supreme Court ruled, in a 6-3 decision, that the detention was a “military necessity” not based on race.


The Supreme Court upheld Executive Order 9066 by a 6-3 vote. Justice Frank Murphy was one of the three justices who argued that Executive Order 9066 was unconstitutional:

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"I dissent, therefore, from this legalization of racism. Racial discrimination in any form and in any degree has no justifiable part whatever in our democratic way of life. It is unattractive in any setting, but it is utterly revolting among a free people who have embraced the principles set forth in the Constitution of the United States. All residents of this nation are kin in some way by blood or culture to a foreign land. Yet they are primarily and necessarily a part of the new and distinct civilization of the United States. They must, accordingly, be treated at all times as the heirs of the American experiment, and as entitled to all the rights and freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution."



The forum post that precedes this forum post boils down to nothing more (or less) than "Democrat Bad." It's barely above the sophistication of an average 6th grader, if it deserves even that much credit. The story of Frank Murphy—remembered as a liberal, and a Democrat—is already enough to reveal the forum post that precedes this one as a banal, shallow-minded canard that no thinking person would ever think of creating. Fittingly, it ends with a childish screed about "Leftists" that's as stupid as everything else about it.

To paraphrase Chris Christie, "Anyone who is unwilling to say that the forum post that precedes this forum post is unfit, is unfit themselves."

"We now return you to your regular programming."

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82-T/A [At Work] JAN 18, 08:03 AM

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Originally posted by BingB:

Not even close to true

By 1990 almost half of the former slave states (6 of 13) had Republican Governors.

By 1995 a majority of the former slave states (8 of 13) had a Republican Governor.




Again, you are misrepresenting facts.

What I might do... is screen shot the List of governors (with the color) from all the states, and put it in a large infographic, and then label the decade, so you can see that it says exactly what I'm saying. As I keep pressing you on this, you continue to come further and further into my favor... now you're saying "half" of the former slave states had a Republican governor by 1990... and then you say by 1995, a majority of the former slave states had a Republican governor. Good.. so you're starting to see that this transition occured much later than "right after the civil rights act" as Democrats portray.

Even for those states where you say half of them had a Republican governor. For almost all of those, they were replaced with a Democrat governor again... and you see that it was a slow transition. SOLID wall of blue Governors, then a sprinkling of red in the 90s as it begins to turn from the mid 1990s through the mid 2000s. Once again, I encourage everyone to go to these links and look at each one of those states. You'll see that the states remained solid Democrat for decades after the civil rights act was passed.
rinselberg JAN 18, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

Again, you [BingB] are misrepresenting facts.

What I might do... is screen shot the List of governors (with the color) from all the states, and put it in a large infographic, and then label the decade, so you can see that it says exactly what I'm saying. As I keep pressing you on this, you continue to come further and further into my favor... now you're saying "half" of the former slave states had a Republican governor by 1990... and then you say by 1995, a majority of the former slave states had a Republican governor. Good.. so you're starting to see that this transition occured much later than "right after the civil rights act" as Democrats portray.

Even for those states where you say half of them had a Republican governor. For almost all of those, they were replaced with a Democrat governor again... and you see that it was a slow transition. SOLID wall of blue Governors, then a sprinkling of red in the 90s as it begins to turn from the mid 1990s through the mid 2000s. Once again, I encourage everyone to go to these links and look at each one of those states. You'll see that the states remained solid Democrat for decades after the civil rights act was passed.


Round and round and round this goes, but why does anyone think it's worth this much discussion?

This narrative from 82-T/A, about the South finishing its transition from Democrat to Republican or "blue to red," has reached its equilibrium in an almost entirely Republican or "red" South by—in 82-T/A's own words—"the mid 2000s." So... by 2005? That's almost 20 years ago. I don't think politics has that long of a "shelf life."

I think this is much ado about little, if not literally nothing.

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williegoat JAN 18, 11:52 AM
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