Difference between "Judaism" and "Zionism". (Page 9/15)
Patrick OCT 13, 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

But my point is that I think at least between the two of us, it's you who has no concept of reality. Unless you tell me otherwise, I imagine you've spent your entire life working in Canada, probably hasn't traveled a whole lot, and your entire world-view is Canada. It's beautiful up there... but not exactly relative to what's going on in reality for the rest of the world, or even at best, the United States.

Prove me wrong.



You've probably traveled to a lot more places than me. However, I don't see how that's the least bit relevant to how well either one of us is able to read people... which is what this initial discussion was about... until you tried to twist it (which is a tactic you often try to implement).

Even if I could serve the proof to you on a silver platter (about anything serious we disagree on)... you wouldn't... couldn't... be able to acknowledge it. Doing so would set you back on your heels something fierce.

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82-T/A [At Work] OCT 14, 07:51 AM

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Originally posted by Patrick:You've probably traveled to a lot more places than me. However, I don't see how that's the least bit relevant to how well either one of us is able to read people... which is what this initial discussion was about... until you tried to twist it (which is a tactic you often try to implement).



Really? What am I twisting? You said exactly this:

"Todd, I enjoy kidding around with you about cars or critters or video etc... but you are SO out of touch with reality when it comes to people and/or to their motivations in life."

You said I'm out of touch with reality. But Patrick... your "reality" is extremely narrow by the sheer fact that you don't have anywhere near the same exposure to the world that I do. Our reality is shaped by our influences... the greater they are, the more broad our understanding of the world (and our place in it). So maybe you can explain how I've twisted things? I mean... if you want to keep talking about me that is.



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Originally posted by Patrick:Even if I could serve the proof to you on a silver platter (about anything serious we disagree on)... you wouldn't... couldn't... be able to acknowledge it. Doing so would set you back on your heels something fierce.



Go head, try me. I'm wrong a lot... that's how I learn. Tell me something on here that I've stated about politics that you seem to think I'm totally wrong about?
ray b OCT 14, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:


Go head, try me. I'm wrong a lot... that's how I learn. Tell me something on here that I've stated about politics that you seem to think I'm totally wrong about?



most of history esp 1950 to 1970
and left wing nazi's
the racist's in the Gop
rump
zionists and arab terrorists are all hard right extremes
leftist are the peace faction in holy lands
a bunch more
olejoedad OCT 14, 01:06 PM
In the USA, the terms 'right' and 'left' typically refer to the way the two groups view the Constitution.

The 'right' believes in the Constitution as written and amended, whereas the 'left' believes that the Constitution is more open to interpretation without amending following the procedures given through the existing laws of the land.

To some extent, 'right' and 'left' can be interchanged as conservative and liberal.

It's not the same in other cultures in many cases.
And when different religions get in the mix, it can become very confusing.

In the case of the current Eastern Mediterranean situation, it can be easily argued that both sides are conservative.
Jake_Dragon OCT 14, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by ray b:


most of history esp 1950 to 1970
and left wing nazi's
the racist's in the Gop
rump
zionists and arab terrorists are all hard right extremes
leftist are the peace faction in holy lands
a bunch more



You are so stuck on labels you cant even see anymore.
Stop and go look at what the people are doing. Stop trying to group everyone in some tidy label so you don't have to look at it.
rinselberg OCT 14, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
You are so stuck on labels you can't even see anymore. Stop and go look at what the people are doing. Stop trying to group everyone in some tidy label so you don't have to look at it.


That describes Wichita in spades. It's the perfect description of him. Every problem, everything about the world that seems negative to him... he has exactly one word for it: "Leftists." Or "the left." He never goes beyond that. I don't think he knows the difference between a "leftist" and a doorknob.

I don't think he's well.

He hasn't come into this topic, but he is in so many other threads that I don't think it is out of line for me to single him out. I already did that on the second page of this thread.

As far as ray b, he could also be engaging in some unrealistic generalizations or oversimplifications.

But if anyone says this about ray b, and doesn't say this about Wichita, it's conspicuous. It sticks out like a sore thumb. It's like a person looking out of only one of their eyes.

The thing that's most interesting about Wichita to me is that he is exposing the flaws and fallacies in other forum members' thinking, or at least, in their commentaries.

We have "82-T/A" twisting himself into a pretzel with his convoluted attempts to frame Wichita's remarks as intelligent.

We have other forum members who just seem to pass over the train wreck that is Wichita, without ever remarking it for what it is.

If there were a "ray b show" and a "Wichita show" in competing time slots on cable television, I would go with ray b every day and twice on Sunday.

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Patrick OCT 14, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

So maybe you can explain how I've twisted things?



I did.


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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

I mean... if you want to keep talking about me that is.



I don't.
Patrick OCT 14, 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

You are so stuck on labels you cant even see anymore. Stop trying to group everyone in some tidy label so you don't have to look at it.



I've posted basically the same thing myself, on more than several occasions over the years. Yet the "leftist" label continues to be thrown around here with reckless abandon.

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olejoedad OCT 14, 07:07 PM
From my personal standpoint, I don't particularly care if a person is a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative', as long as that person doesn't support policies that weaken this (or their) country from a societal, financial, military or freedom standpoint.

I try to refrain from using the terms 'leftist', RWNJ, socialist, commie, racist or anything that paints with a broad brush.

Freedom of expression is important to all of us, no matter our political leaning, but with freedom always comes responsibility.

There are times though, that some people beg to be classified by those terms.
Patrick OCT 14, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

There are times though, that some people beg to be classified by those terms.



There are times that some people beg to be classified by terms that we're not allowed to post in this forum.

And the argument that a word is just a word is bogus. It depends on how that word is being utilized. Referring to a male child as a "boy" for example is fine. Addressing an adult black male as "boy" obviously has negative connotations. The word "leftist" is itself not a negative term, but when it's constantly being used (by certain people) in association with every evil on the face of the planet, its use becomes more than tiresome. Simple-minded morons then use the term "leftist" to try and demean anyone who doesn't reside on the far-right of the political spectrum... and that's why there continues to be kickback here over its misuse.

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