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rinselberg
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MAR 03, 02:58 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by williegoat:
Replace gas stoves with stoves which run on electricity which is made by burning gas (40%) and coal (20%). |
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Yeah... but the electrical power plant that feeds the grid isn't in your kitchen.
It's being framed, first and foremost, in terms of indoors air pollution and the direct impacts on human health when humans breathe or become exposed to the airborne particles and chemicals that arise from having and using gas-fired ranges and ovens.
The CO2 or "climate" angle is also being argued, but that's not center stage.[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-03-2023).]
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williegoat
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MAR 03, 03:30 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
Yeah... but the electrical power plant that feeds the grid isn't in your kitchen.
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OK, so it's somebody else's problem. I get it.
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Jake_Dragon
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MAR 03, 03:36 PM
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Fear and hate are the greatest tool the Government has.
Too bad its not truth and accountability[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 03-03-2023).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 03, 03:58 PM
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"Measuring Methane and NOx Emissions from Gas Stoves"
Eric Lebel for PSE "Bringing Science to Energy Policy"; January 27, 2022.
https://www.psehealthyenerg...%20the%20gas%20stove
This is short and to the point. A single page, nicely laid out with white space, and a list of bullet points.
Anyone could read it faster than they could decide whether or not they want to read it.
You'd be crazy not to read it.
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Jake_Dragon
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MAR 03, 04:06 PM
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I wonder what the name of the grant was for that report.
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jdv
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MAR 03, 05:46 PM
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In a enclosed warehouse what type of forklift do they use? Why is this? [This message has been edited by jdv (edited 03-03-2023).]
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rinselberg
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MAR 03, 07:07 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:
I wonder what the name of the grant was for that report. |
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That was just an overview. This is the full report:
"Methane and NOx Emissions from Natural Gas Stoves, Cooktops, and Ovens in Residential Homes"
Eric D. Lebel, Colin J. Finnegan, Zutao Ouyang, and Robert B. Jackson
Environmental Science and Technology, 2022, 56, 4, 2529–2539; January 27, 2022.
https://doi.org/10.1021/acs.est.1c04707
The four authors are all affiliated with the Department of Earth System Science at Stanford University.
I don't see anything about how the research was funded. The institution(s) or agency or agencies that supported the research financially.
"The authors declare no competing financial interest."
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Jake_Dragon
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MAR 03, 07:41 PM
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| quote | Originally posted by rinselberg:
"The authors declare no competing financial interest." |
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The government declare the same thing, then send our sons and daughters to die.
Excuse me while I try to find my last **** about someone from stanford telling me I'm going to die because I have a gas stove.
If they were just looking out for us then would figure out how to bring jobs back home, lower the cost of living and buying a home.
You live in CA, the house I'm in now (renting) is valued at close to $500,000. The home I had in Florida that was made from bricks and is newer is valued at $120,000.
So perhaps they can get off the governments tit and actually research how to enable people to make things better for themselves.
What kind of house to you think the people that published that report live in?
I don't know about you but I'm tired of all of the taxes that are taken to "make my life better" FIX THE 405 and I will start to believe you, just a little.
Perhaps spend some time on the homeless problems. Probably don't care because there probably isn't that much of a homeless problem in stanford.
Lets work on things that are broken, never mind if they are going to get votes. Make peoples lives better instead of just more complicated.
Oh and **** you that's why...
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rinselberg
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MAR 03, 08:44 PM
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Among all gas-fired home appliances, the gas-fired home cooking range is "unique"
| quote | Natural gas is a popular fuel choice for home cooking. Nationally, over one-third of households (more than 40 million homes) cook with gas...
People interact more directly with their stove than with other gas appliances, increasing potential exposure to any natural gas constituents and compounds formed during combustion, including formaldehyde (CH2O) carbon monoxide (CO), and nitrogen oxides (NOx)...
Among all gas appliances, the stove is unique in that the byproducts of combustion are emitted directly into home air with no requirement for venting the exhaust outdoors. In fact, some kitchens have “ductless” hoods that recirculate fumes through activated charcoal filters, which are generally less effective at cleaning the air. Vented hoods have a range of effectiveness and function best when overhanging the stove. Because exhaust hoods are separate from the stove and must be operated manually, vented hoods in practice are used only 25–40% of the time...
NO2 is a respiratory irritant and can lead to asthma, coughing, wheezing, and difficulty breathing, occasionally resulting in hospitalization. |
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To say that the federal government has no legitimate interest in this matter, is to say that the federal government should not have a U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. (That's how I see it.)
I'm not suggesting that anyone on the forum needs to replace their gas cooking appliance(s) with electric, as a personal or family health precaution. It's just something to think about. Especially, if someone is already thinking about upgrading or remodeling their kitchen.
"I have no competing financial interest."[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 03-03-2023).]
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randye
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MAR 04, 01:58 AM
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