Abortion thread (Page 9/43)
theBDub APR 02, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Fats:


1. Settled? Do you not see the arguments I could use against you with this statement? And a right???

I think you need to stop reading the quick blurbs put forward by one certain side about Roe V Wade and read the ruling for yourself.

I would advise against using Google for such things, I tried to find you a link and the first 4 pages at least are just propaganda. Seriously just propaganda.



I am clearly responding to Randy, who continues to try to pretend that laws are the same as morality, and the only defense he needs to ban abortion is in the law. Even though, as you point out, it doesn’t actually make any sense.
theBDub APR 02, 06:32 PM
Since Randy is confused, let’s return back to the top of the thread:


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Originally posted by 2.5:

I welcome you to lay out your argument, or argue with mine. Be advised there are many old threads on this topic, many unanswered questions and avoided realities, threads left without good arguments. I would also recommend you read those threads.

Here is the gist of mine: Premeditated murdering of people is bad, even if the moral majority decides it isn't.

If your only arguemt is something like what about rape, risk to mothers life..or other exceptions...then I welcome you to consider your exception raised in the argument and cater your argument to the rest of the instances when you reply. Since they are the massive majority.



2.5 lays out a proposition. He claims abortion is bad, regardless of majority opinion on the subject.

So the question is: Is abortion wrong? It’s not: Is abortion lawful?

Randy is confused, because he can’t seem to actually address that question. All he can do is discuss laws. But, as laid out in the beginning of the thread, that was never the question, and quoting laws of the land that differ from region to region and over different periods of time doesn’t actually address anything about if abortion is wrong or not.

My argument is that abortion is not wrong, because in a hierarchy of rights, your rights to bodily autonomy go beyond someone else’s right to life. You cannot be forced to give up your bodily autonomy due to their right to life.

No, it’s not based on laws. Nothing in the law states there is a hierarchy of rights. My belief is built on a foundation of logic, it’s philosophical. I’m willing to have it torn down, if appropriate, but it hasn’t been yet.

2.5 has argued with the argument. Good discussion. Randy has still not, he just claims I am using high-school level logic and avoids the discussion.

If it’s high-school level logic, then take it down.
randye APR 02, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


Ahh, I forgot that slavery was illegal at the founding of the country.





In 8 of the 13 states that ratified the United States Constitution slavery was already illegal.

74 years later, moral people, waged a war against those Demorat slavery states to change their immoral laws.

Most average high school students know these facts.

You obviously don't.



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Originally posted by theBDub:


Lol, you still haven’t argued with my logic.






Because you STILL haven't exhibited any.

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randye APR 02, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


I am clearly responding to Randy, who continues to try to pretend that laws are the same as morality,





WHY are you LEFTISTS always so damn DISHONEST?

If you have to LIE to try to support your babbling argument, you've already lost.

Show me anywhere in the past 3 pages that I have specifically stated that "laws are the same as morality".

Don't give us any of your goddam Leftist "parsing" or that I somehow "inferred it" or that I allegedly "hinted at it" or that I "suggested it".

Shown where I specifically stated what you just LIED about.
So far you've tried just about all the tricks in the book from attempting to reframe the argument, to trying to limit the argument and now you're down to just OUTRIGHT LYING about what I said.

If you can't understand the indelible connection between codified law and societal morality then just confess that it's beyond your obvious limited intellectual grasp and walk away,......

.....just don't start LYING about what I said.


By the way, YOU DON'T LIVE A COUNTRY THAT RECOGNIZES YOUR SILLY-ASSED "HEIRARCY OF RIGHTS THEORY" that you continue to babble about.

The United States Constitution and our various federal and states laws DO NOT rank any of our rights as being more important than one another.

You DO live in a country that can absolutely "force you to defend someone else's right to life" and take away your equally stupid idea of "bodily autonomy" when, and if, the government, (BY LAW), decides it needs to. If you don't believe that just ask anyone that has ever been drafted into the military.

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theBDub APR 02, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
Because you STILL haven't exhibited any.




Saying it over and over while clicking your red heels together doesn’t make it true. Talking to you is like talking to an angry child that can’t reason through a problem.
ray b APR 02, 11:16 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
In 8 of the 13 states that ratified the United States Constitution slavery was already illegal.

74 years later, moral people, waged a war against those Demorat slavery states to change their immoral laws.



yes they were CONSERVATIVE WHO WERE IN THE democratic party
and today their racist kids are in the Gop
because the demo's saw the error
and nixon was a creep who didnot but saw advantage

they are CONSERVATIVE first and last

and
no you can't count
7 slave states
and some yank states still allowed some slaves
so you fail civics and history to
what a typical rumper

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ray b APR 02, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


Saying it over and over while clicking your red heels together doesn’t make it true. Talking to you is like talking to an angry child that can’t reason through a problem.



even if he holds his arm out at 45 deg up while facing Berlin ?
randye APR 02, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by theBDub:


Talking to you is like talking to an angry child that can’t reason through a problem.





Talking to you is like trying to teach quantum physics on "the short bus".

You did marginally better when you were stupidly hooting about "peer reviews" and "control groups" because at least, in that instance, you didn't compound your monumental ignorance with LYING like you did here.

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theBDub APR 03, 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by randye:
1.) As I elaborated above, your whack-job "basic logic" isn't supported by anything, and that includes law OR morality. I've seen better, and more well founded, reasoning from an average high school student.

2.) Our codified laws are absolutely founded in MORALITY and they have been since ancient times. Where the hell do you think they came from?

3.) Your bullshit of "bodily autonomy" and "hierarchical rights" went right out the window with government mandated masks, and vaccinations.

4.) WTF is it with your continual use of the terms "people" and "pregnant person" in this thread? Are you unable to properly determine that only women can become pregnant? The blather that you post around here always contains some sort of nonsensical "woke speak".

5.) After reviewing the sum total of your other recent posts and your posts in this thread I now believe that YOU ARE A "LIBERTARIAN" and I believe that in exactly the same manner that I believe that this is a "woman":




Do you need me to explain it any further?




WHY are YOU always so damn DISHONEST?

If you have to LIE to try to support your babbling argument, you've already lost.

Show me anywhere in the past 3 pages that I have specifically stated that "laws are not founded in morality".

Don't give us any of your goddam "parsing" or that I somehow "inferred it" or that I allegedly "hinted at it" or that I "suggested it".

Shown where I specifically stated what you just LIED about.

So far you've tried just about all the tricks in the book from attempting to reframe the argument to talking about LAWS when that WASN'T the original question, to refusing to acknowledge the content of my posts, now you're down to just OUTRIGHT LYING about what I said.
theBDub APR 03, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by randye:


By the way, YOU DON'T LIVE A COUNTRY THAT RECOGNIZES YOUR SILLY-ASSED "HEIRARCY OF RIGHTS THEORY" that you continue to babble about.

The United States Constitution and our various federal and states laws DO NOT rank any of our rights as being more important than one another.





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Originally posted by theBDub:


No, it’s not based on laws. Nothing in the law states there is a hierarchy of rights. My belief is built on a foundation of logic, it’s philosophical. I’m willing to have it torn down, if appropriate, but it hasn’t been yet.