Speaker Johnson picks a fight with President Biden (Page 8/10)
ray b NOV 17, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Don't really know or care. It's simply interesting that some are so sensitive to such a statement and zero in on that particular part of the statement.

But, if "Many" historians believe it, so what? What's that got to do with being a Fiscal Conservative?



LYING FOR JESUS

something most christians spew lies about gays/morals and the fall of the western empire

the gay stuff was REPRESSED BY THE CHRISTIANS who got total power by 380 after 320 legal ruling
so NO the enforced their CHRISTIAN ''MORALS'' AND BAN GAYS
THE ATTACKERS WERE NOT PAGANS
THEY WERE MOSTLY ARIAN CHRISTIAN [NO THREE PART bs GOD] THEIR MAJOR DIFFERENCE
SO IT WAS A CHRISTIAN CIVIL WAR NOT PAGAN BARBARIANS

the christian then shut down schools hospitals and started a DARK AGE OF CHRISTIAN TOTAL RULE

btw the Fiscal Conservative is BS the guy is a god bothered nut case and EVIL
rinselberg NOV 18, 12:59 PM

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Many historians, those who are objective, would look back and recognize and give some credit to the fall of Rome to not only the deprivation of the society and the loss of morals, but also to the rampant homosexual behavior that was condoned by the society.

Recent remark from Mike Johnson, now the Republican House leader.

I personally doubt that it's been at all common for "top drawer" historians to have singled out homosexuality or homosexual behavior as a significant factor that caused the "Decline" and ultimately, the "Fall" of the Roman Empire.

Although I'm not a scholar, I think I would have picked up on that—if it were accurate—in the unguided readings and browsing's that are characteristic of my online recreations.

I see Mike Johnson, in that remark, conflating rampant homosexual behavior with rampant behavior in general. Rampant greed. Rampant corruption. Rampant infidelity in both heterosexual and homosexual ways. And above all, I venture, it was the absence of vision that brought about the stagnation of the Roman Empire. There wasn't enough forward thinking. Rampant behavior of all kinds was not so much a cause of their stagnation, as it was a consequence of their stagnation. A case of idle hands becoming the devil's workshop.

I"m sure I'm right about this.

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ray b NOV 18, 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


So, appears you support de-funding the Police? Hmm, may I ask you if you have any idea as to where (what neighborhoods) the majority of crimes are committed?

It's not in the richer areas, that I can assure you so, where do you think needs greater LEO protection?

Never mind, closed minds are too busy spinning their wheels to really understand.

BTW, have I told you I really like Speaker Johnson (so far).

Rams




I note there sure are an excess of them
every time something happens crowds of cops decend
if 3 or 4 could handle what ever there are 40 or 50 in the street
so we have too many who cost too much

they still steal money mostly but cars also
this civil stealing needs to stop
if there is a crime they should PROVE IT
BEFORE STEALING

AND THE VERY ODD IDEA THEY CAN'T BE SUED
because of no law or any thing ever voted on
but the court SAID SO [QUALIFIED IMMUNITY]
JUDGES SAID THEY TOO PROSTITUTING ATT ALSO
EVERY PIG TYPE COP JUDGE STATE ATT ARE IMMUNITY
so they steal or blow up your car and say tuff chit we are pigs and immune
THAT NEEDS TO STOP
SO YES LESS OF THEM AND STOP STEALING PLEASE

blackrams NOV 18, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

[QUOTE]Many historians, those who are objective, would look back and recognize and give some credit to the fall of Rome to not only the deprivation of the society and the loss of morals, but also to the rampant homosexual behavior that was condoned by the society.

Recent remark from Mike Johnson, now the Republican House leader.

I personally doubt that it's been at all common for "top drawer" historians to have singled out homosexuality or homosexual behavior as a significant factor that caused the "Decline" and ultimately, the "Fall" of the Roman Empire.

Although I'm not a scholar, I think I would have picked up on that—if it were accurate—in the unguided readings and browsing's that are characteristic of my online recreations.

I see Mike Johnson, in that remark, conflating rampant homosexual behavior with rampant behavior in general. Rampant greed. Rampant corruption. Rampant infidelity in both heterosexual and homosexual ways. And above all, I venture, it was the absence of vision that brought about the stagnation of the Roman Empire. There wasn't enough forward thinking. Rampant behavior of all kinds was not so much a cause of their stagnation, as it was a consequence of their stagnation. A case of idle hands becoming the devil's workshop.

I"m sure I'm right about this.


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Seems like you have a lot of interest in Mr. Johnson's sexual issues. You might want to look into that.

Rams
rinselberg NOV 18, 04:08 PM

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Originally posted by blackrams:
Seems like you have a lot of interest in Mr. Johnson's sexual issues. You might want to look into that.


The only aspect of this that is (or was) interesting to me is the way in which the new House Speaker connected homosexuality with the proverbial "Decline and Fall" of the Roman Empire.

Mike Johnson's remark in that vein is something I would expect from a person—like Mike Johnson—who is ardently and publicly disapproving of homosexual engagement, which I think is a better term for it than homosexual "behavior"—but not from someone who I would associate with the more secular, cosmopolitan and generally liberal-minded ethos that I heartily subscribe to.

I am not closing the possibility that Mike Johnson could manifest in other ways that would prompt me to say "that was a good thing for Mike Johnson to have done, or said."

I concur with forum member ray b that Mike Johnson belongs within the Venn diagram circle that ray b has labeled as "God-bothered people and groups," in ray b's mental Venn diagram of the world, which I think is something we all have.

So, once again—there you have it!

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blackrams NOV 19, 07:32 AM

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

The only aspect of this that is (or was) interesting to me is the way in which the new House Speaker connected homosexuality with the proverbial "Decline and Fall" of the Roman Empire.

Mike Johnson's remark in that vein is something I would expect from a person—like Mike Johnson—who is ardently and publicly disapproving of homosexual engagement, which I think is a better term for it than homosexual "behavior"—but not from someone who I would associate with the more secular, cosmopolitan and generally liberal-minded ethos that I heartily subscribe to.

I am not closing the possibility that Mike Johnson could manifest in other ways that would prompt me to say "that was a good thing for Mike Johnson to have done, or said."

I concur with forum member ray b that Mike Johnson belongs within the Venn diagram circle that ray b has labeled as "God-bothered people and groups," in ray b's mental Venn diagram of the world, which I think is something we all have.

So, once again—there you have it!




Well, it's your story so stick to it. As I've said several times, it really doesn't matter to me.
I still haven't figured out how this ties into Speaker Johnson being a Fiscal Conservative. Or are you just desperately trying to come up with something the left or woke crowd can use to further disapprove. I really don't care if Speaker Johnson (or you) believe in Unicorns and Fairy Farts, this Congress is going to spend us into a bankrupt nation. I have no idea if you have children or grandchildren but if so, why would you want to bankrupt their future?

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Rams
Learning most of life's lessons the hard way. .
You are only young once but, you can be immature indefinitely.

ray b NOV 20, 10:38 AM

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Well, it's your story so stick to it. As I've said several times, it really doesn't matter to me.
I still haven't figured out how this ties into Speaker Johnson being a Fiscal Conservative. Or are you just desperately trying to come up with something the left or woke crowd can use to further disapprove. I really don't care if Speaker Johnson (or you) believe in Unicorns and Fairy Farts, this Congress is going to spend us into a bankrupt nation. I have no idea if you have children or grandchildren but if so, why would you want to bankrupt their future?



well then TAX THE RICH
no more billionaire who dodge taxes on income or wealth

AND THE NATION CAN BALANCE A BUDGET

if the RWNJ follow there dogma to never ever tax the rich
then the nation will go bankrupt
and it is the RWNJ's fault
olejoedad NOV 20, 01:22 PM
The government could confiscate all of the wealth of the rich and it wouldn't make a difference in our nations fiscal mess.

The solution is to rein in government spending, grift and waste and stimulate private sector growth.

Do you live off of your credit cards and continually refinance without paying the principal?

Our government does.
ray b NOV 20, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by olejoedad:

The government could confiscate all of the wealth of the rich and it wouldn't make a difference in our nations fiscal mess.

The solution is to rein in government spending, grift and waste and stimulate private sector growth.

Do you live off of your credit cards and continually refinance without paying the principal?

Our government does.



so the nut conned ALL OR NOTHING BS AGAIN

TAX EVERY YEAR NO CONFISCATE JUST TAX LIKE WORKERS
15%SS NO DEDUCTIONS EVER + SAY 25 TO 35 % INCOME TAX NO DEDUCTIONS OVER 100K INCOME LEVEL

THE PIG RUMP NEVER PAID NEAR THAT BUT i HAVE ON FAR LESS
rinselberg NOV 21, 02:35 PM

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Many historians, those who are objective, would look back and recognize and give some credit to the fall of Rome to not only the deprivation of the society and the loss of morals, but also to the rampant homosexual behavior that was condoned by the society.

Recent remark from Mike Johnson, now the Republican House leader.


The North Hertfordshire Museum is about 40 miles north of London, and its scholars have just announced that based on the historical evidence (in their view), one of pagan Rome's emperors should no longer be regarded as cisgendered and male. These worthies of academia say that Marcus Aurelius Antoninus—known more commonly as Elagabalus—identified as female, and so the museum will change its Elagabalus exhibit to reflect that, using the pronouns "she" and "her" instead of "he" and "him."

Elagabalus landed the coveted title of Princeps (emperor) in 218 AD, but lasted just four years, falling victim to assassination in 222 AD.

Given what House Speaker Mike Johnson said not too long ago, about homosexuality and Rome, you have to wonder how this might "sit" with him... assuming he learns about it.

"Museum reclassifies Roman emperor as trans woman"
Yasmin Rufo for BBC News; November 21, 2023.
https://www.bbc.com/news/en...inment-arts-67484645

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